November 1997 - Sinister

Re: Sinister: Who do they support competition?
by barzy＠networkmags.com 27 Nov '97

27 Nov '97

Funny that should come up...I was so nervous meeting Stuart Murdoch in NYC....All I could think of saying was "you're not a Hun, are ya?" pretty sure he said he supports Celtic...and I think wee Chris said that as well.... we won't mention who *I* support. supported. humph. xbeth ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: London meet - pop quiz
by David & Katrina 26 Nov '97

26 Nov '97

Back on the theme of the proposed London meet, my friends are organising a pop quiz for Thursday night (tomorrow). So why not use this as a London meet? The details: Pop quiz at the John Snow pub on Broadwick Street (This is the large road on the left when you're walking from Sister Ray (Berwick St) to Selectadisc (further up Berwick St), the pub is abou 50m down on the left hand side). Doors open at 8pm with a £3 entry fee that makes up the prize pot - top prize £50 with hundreds of small prizes. Records to be given away (including loads of promos such as some Saint Etienne records and some SFA - sorry, no B&S!). Cheap (for central London) drinks, a good pint of beer is £1.48, with lager at £1.70 and very reasonable spirits and mixers. Will also have a sound system there, and if Simon remembers to bring it the background music should consist of Tigermilk for some part of the night. Anyway, hope to see a few of you there, will be cool to finally match some user names to faces :) David & Katrina Belle and Sebastian Fan Club -- ******************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/ mailto:bluesoda@totalweb.co.uk ******************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Beatnik
by Paige Rosella 26 Nov '97

26 Nov '97

Hello all. A while back, some were posting about a book called Beatnik, or something to that effect. I have looked for it everywhere here in NYC, but have had no success. Would someone be kind enough to post more details about it so that I may be better armed in my queries to those bookstore types? That would be greatly appreciated! Happy Thanksgiving to the US Kids, Paige ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Official Belle and Seabstian Mail Out
by David & Katrina 26 Nov '97

26 Nov '97

Just in case you delete this, remember that a copy of this mail-out can be found on the Fan Club site at http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/ -- Belle and Sebastian -- Well, we promised we'd let you know what was happening on the gig front, so here's the confirmed details: Belle and Sebastian are playing the Manchester Town Hall on Saturday 27th and Sunday 28th December. There will be no support band on the Saturday night, however Future Pilot will be playing the Sunday night. Now, as we know an awful lot of want to go to these gigs, we've managed to secure 350 tickets per night to sell via the fan club. Yaaaayyyy! We hear you all scream. Well, this is how it's going to work. The Tickets set aside for the fan club are available to those paying by cheque/postal order ONLY! (This includes international money orders/Eurocheques etc.). NO cash or credit card payments will be accepted. There will be a maximum of four tickets per transaction, and each ticket is subject to a booking fee (which includes postage and packaging costs). Tickets cost £9 plus the 70 pence booking fee, total cost per ticket is £9.70 EACH. All cheques/postal orders/IMO's/ Eurocheques etc., are to be made payable to FOUNDATION and posted to 191 Alexandra Park Road, London, N22 4BJ, England. DO NOT send your ticket orders to the fan club PO Box address or to the band, as your order will not be processed, and you'll regrettably miss out. Your tickets will be dispatched within two weeks of cheque clearance. For those of you who wish to buy your tickets in person, or by credit card, there are a few outlets to do so from: Tickets for the Manchester gig are available; in person at: Piccadilly Records on Oldham Street, Manchester (speak to Laura 'cos she's lovely!). by Credit Card at: Stargreen UK Ticket Outlets on 0171 734 8932 and in person & by Credit Card at: The Piccadilly Box Office inside the Virgin Megastore, Market Street, Manchester. 0161 832 1111 (9am to 9pm seven days a week). Ticket prices are still £9 each, but will be subject to a booking fee at the outlet's discretion. Please phone the outlets for more information. There will not be any tickets for sale on the night at the gigs, so if you want to go, you'd better get your mitts on a ticket now! Or, you could try to win a pair! Just look below and enter the fab and groovy compo to try a more risky but cheaper way of acquiring tickets. -- Competition -- Yes, it's competition time again, and if you can answer the following question correctly, you will go into the draw to win a pair of tickets to the Sunday (28/12) night show, plus maybe some other bits and bobs. Ok, the question is; What football team do (the majority) of Belle and Sebastian support? All answers on a track and field postcard to the PO Box address below (e-mail entries will not be accepted), and if you win, you'll be winging your way to Liverpool and Widnes, well, no Manchester really, to see B&S live! The competition closes on the 12th December, and the winner will be notified by phone (so please include a daytime phone number) by 19th December. Good luck! And here's another reason to get to the Manchester gigs - we've had a lot of people inquiring about the Judy and the Dream of Horses mugs, which sold out at the Kelvingrove/QM gig. Well they're back in production, and there will be another limited run, this time 300, to be sold exclusively at the Manchester gigs. We would sell them through the fan-club, however the P&P costs are extortionate, and we don't want to take the risk of stock being damaged in the post, so mugs at gigs it's going to be. Isobel is also designing another badge or two, these will be a button badge design (similar to the original Dog On Wheels badges), and there's even rumours of Belle and Sebastian stickers too, so please come and visit us at the merchandise stall at Manchester to find out what's new. Rest assured the badges and stickers will be available by mail order too, so keep sending your stamps, and you'll keep getting more info! Speaking of merchandise, we've got the brown and silver Belle and Sebastian prefect badges back in stock again, as well as the yellow/green large bus design T-shirts. The badges are £2 each, postage is free if you order another item (T-shirt/CD etc.), or enclose a SAE or extra 50 pence per badge if you're ordering them on their own. The yellow/green large bus T-shirt is £8 plus UK £1.50, Europe £2 and ROW £3.50 postage. If you need another merchandise leaflet, just write and let us know, and we'll send one out. Unfortunately, we have run out of the orange/brown medium bus T-shirts, so the only bus designs left are the yellow/green in small, medium and large, or the orange/brown in small only. Now onto other news, as you may have gathered by now, the London and Paris gigs didn't end up by going ahead. After the Manchester shows, Belle and Sebastian will probably play some gigs to coincide with the release of the Modern Rock Song EP (Jan/Feb '98), and the as-yet-untitled third album (Feb/Mar '98). There will be more news about both of these releases in the next proper mailout. On the Internet front the bands own web-site at http://www.totalweb.co.uk/belleandsebastian/ is going to feature the creative efforts of all band members in the near future, well worth using the school computers for. Oh, and one last internet thingy, Belle and Sebastian are hopefully going to participate in an internet forum chat in early December, where you can ask the band all the questions you've ever wanted answered! We don't have any details as yet, but closer to the time there should be information on both of the above-mentioned web-sites. -- Another note regarding the Manchester gigs. We are attempting to arrange a meeting-point for fans going to the gigs, and should have more details closer to the dates. If you are heading up to Manchester, and would like to meet up with other people, please phone us at home AFTER the 15th December, when we will have something sorted out. If you have any suggestions about meeting places i.e. pubs/coffee bars close to the Town Hall in Manchester, then please phone BEFORE the 15th December. Our number is 0181 560 1815 - please call between 8pm and 11pm only, and try to avoid clashes with Eastenders or any Friday night comedy, whether it be on BBC2 or Channel 4! Or as you're on the net use the feedback form to let us know your suggestions. -- . . . and here's a bit from the band. -- "At Katrina's request, here is an update from the flightdeck on how we're all managing to squander our leisure time these days. This is your Captain Sarah. A new LP is finished, or as good as finished recording anyway. The studio is too busy for us to mix it just now, and so we've gone and got ourselves an office with three desks, a couple of plants, a kettle and some pictures. Stuart Murdoch has been redefining office-boy chic. We like to think we're a finely-tuned, efficient machine with our fax machines and desks and in-and-out trays, but really our main activity is sitting around wondering at the mental health of some of the people who have written to us, and listening to Stuart David's brutal character-assaniations of our correspondents. Some kind person sent a picture of George Best in a nice pair of shorts, for which I will be eternally grateful, but I'd been away to see the Violent Femmes in London, so I don't know who it was from. I think it's fair to say games consoles are becoming influential on some of our lives. Chris and Richard have had a PlayStation habit for quite a while, and I have a clear memory of Stuart David looking for cheat book for Tomb Raider. While I was visiting my friend Gerry at the weekend, we got carried away in Woolworth's and came home with a Nintendo 64 and the Star Wars game. Since then, I've been struggling to find a reason to leave the flat. Yesterday, Boba Fett got what was coming to him, and I blasted his ship for good measure. On Tuesday, Stevie was round and said "Bah! Computer games!", but within minutes he was one of us. Side-projects are appearing all over the place too. Wee Chris and Stevie have been backing up New York power pop genius Michael Shelley in the studio and in a couple of gigs. The Two Brothers (my hobby band) will have to be put on hold until Teenage Fanclub's tour is finshed, at which point we'll go back to our gin-fuelled acoustic roots after a disastrous gig of Pastels cover versions. We've just said we'll do a radio show - Beat Patrol - on Radio Scotland on December 21st. A Belle and Sebastian Christmas special. Then the Manchester gigs, with support from Future Pilot and some DJ's on the Saturday. We're working on a few versions for a support slot we'll be doing, so our repertoire could be more varied the next time we hit your town" -- Belle & Sebastian, PO Box 14153, London SW11 4XU, UK -- Yeah, we know it was a long wait for that, but what with the details changing every two seconds we even had to update the paper version a day before we posted it and re-did all of this one. Any updates will again be posted to the sinister list and announced on the Fan Club site at the URL below. thanks David Katrina ******************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/ mailto:bluesoda@totalweb.co.uk ******************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . 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Sinister: Multiple mails, unsubscribes
by P.S.Mitchell 26 Nov '97

26 Nov '97

Problem solved I think - thanks again to Andreas's suggestion. I won't know how a mail program can be so stupid as to fling everything back to the list, but the evil miscreant has been removed and (hopefully if I got it right) blacklisted. Michele - you saw "too many hops", thank goodness, because mail programs set a maximum number of points on an email's journey before they decide not to pass it on - usually around 18. This is to stop just this sort of thing: Sinister mailing to a mentally disturbed mail program that sends it back to the list, that sends it back to the program... In fact if I hadn't been sleeping I would have noticed that the bounced messages contained multiple footers indicating just this. Incidentally it may come as no surprise that the site concerned was using a Microsoft mailer... Oh and if you're receiving this and thought you'd unsubscribed - can I remind you to send sun/unsub requests NOT to this address but to: majordomo(a)majordomo.net I will NOT in general have time to do unsubscribes manually - too much (real) work (eh?). And if you close your email account: please unsubscribe from Sinister before! I know it's hard to remember but... spare a thought for my aching mailbox! I still love you all and want to have your babies. P ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: The Capeman
by DOUDIE＠aol.com 26 Nov '97

26 Nov '97

I thought I would post a more in depth review I wrote of this record now that Mark brought it up as I agree that it is a very significant release in the year of music that is 1997: I find it astounding that an artist in their mid to late fifties can continue to forge a career that is relevant AND productive of great work. Take a look at Paul Simon's peers: Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell, James Taylor, Van Morrison, Roger McGuinn, etc. I don't think anyone can argue that those artists are putting out work of a quality on par with their 60's work. Part of this is due simply to singing voice, Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell, for example, simply can't sing like they used to. Anyway, I don't want to go on and on with these comparisons, but upon hearing Capeman and realizing the tremendous amount of work that went into the realization of this music, it just makes me wonder why age decimates the careers of some geniuses and pushes others onto new levels of greatness. Part of that feeling comes simply from the sound of this CD. While you can tell at first listen that this record was recorded in the 90's, it isn't tied to its time period the way classic records aren't. One of the wonderful things about music is that it can exist outside of time, and one of the marks of a great record is its ability to do so. For example, the doo wop doesn't sound like "90's doo wop" it sounds legitimate and real, even though doo wop is not a common musical idiom anymore. It is difficult for me to listen to any record without focusing in on the vocals and they sound excellent on SFTC, not only in performance but in how they were recorded. Want proof? Play Graceland, Rhythm of the Saints and SFTC back to back. Throughout the record, you hear that familiar voice a voice that I bet all of you couldn't recall a time in your life when you hadn't heard it, and you hear it in a crystal clear fashion, thus really making this feel like a worthy addition to an already prolific career. The music is nothing to balk at either: from the ecstatic celebration at the close of "Born in Puerto Rico", to the sinister piano that kicks off Vampires, to the Rhythm of the Saints-ish guitar that drives "Trailways Bus"... these are just great sounding moments, highlights from a great record. I guess the engineer deserves some credit for this but anyway, I would be curious to hear some other opinions about the sound of the record. The more I listen to SFTC, the more it begins to feel like an album instead of a mere snippet from a larger project. I grew more accustomed to "Satin Summer Nights", "Sunday Afternoon" and "Time is an Ocean", the three songs that scream out Broadway to me. "Born in Puerto Rico", "Adios Hermanos", "Vampires", "Trailways Bus" are classics in the canon of someone who may have already the market cornered on classic songs. The songs all establish a connection to Salvador Agron, without glorfying him for committing murder, which I think was ultimately a tightrope struggle in forging his story. As well as musical, there are some incredibly moving lyrical moments on this record (leaving me a bit surprised upon reading some murmurings that these lyrics are somehow less poignant than Simon's previous work). The "No one knows you like I do, No one knows your heart like I do" lyric in "Born in Puerto Rico" backed up with that heart wrenching flute, the beautifully sung "If I traveled the whole world, You guys would still be on my case" lyric in "Trailways Bus", and the "I think you'd have to be Jesus on the cross, to open your heart after such a loss" in "Can I Forgive Him?". These are just a few examples of lyrical beauty. Okay enough raving... Is this a perfect record? No. I don't think that was its intent. It is so diverse and ranging in its scope and discontinuous in its performances (meaning not having the same singer on each track, etc.) that I have a hard time imagining a listener loving every song all the way through. Nonetheless, I don't think that was its aim and there certainly isn't anything difficult to listen to on it. I don't really understand the inclusion of Virgil, the country-ish song narrated by a prison guard, but maybe his character is more essential to the plot than I realize. Anyway, I hope I haven't rambled on too long, I hope to hear more and more opinions as people grow more familiar with this record (and yes I have repeatedly used the term record because referring to a work of music as a CD will never seem right to me). steve matrick ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . 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Sinister: lyrics
by mjouan＠previewtravel.com 26 Nov '97

26 Nov '97

>I can't understand all these confessions about misunderstanding lyrics... >Doesn't everyone pick up the lyrics from the moment they put the CD on, and >sing lustily along, or is it just me? it's just you. that's why i get angry when bands don't include lyric sheets. :) michelle ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: hey-wood lane, la la la la la la hey-wood laaane...
by Sarah 26 Nov '97

26 Nov '97

(subject line refers to GZM BTW) In the Maker Steve latwat said the Colchester Arts Centre was on of B&S's fave venues c'est vrai ou faux? je ne sais pas. Oh, I'll make some Tigermilk tapes if people want any? I'm in the Uk, mail me if you want them! I got a copy of Steve (thank you thank you!) so its not from an original original if you get what I mean, but hey. Whats this about a session on Thursday? We any closer to finding a place to meet on the Sat gig in Manchester day? er, i know i had something to say but I've forgotten it...darn. BTW, everybody buy the maker and vote for B&S! I KNOW they don't need the commercial kudos, i KNOW they don't partake in media rituals, but..... wouldn't it be good if they won!!!! A triumph over music industry scum if you will. Don't count fanzine writers in that, we're all nice and lovely! No, still forgotten my witty cultural discursion that Iwas going to, um, discourse, so I'll leave you. adios!-- Sarah ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: On the radio...
by Eoghan Mullan 26 Nov '97

26 Nov '97

Did anyone hear the session some (I don't know how many) members of Belle & Sebastian did for Subcity Radio? It was on the Church Of The Spoken Word show on a Saturday afternoon. I only caught the end but it seemed to be a very "Century Of Elvis" type song, oh and the studiuo seemed to be falling apart in the background and this caused one of the songs to be interrupted with a very nice Burt Bacharach song. If anyone has a tape of the show, I'm sure it would be appreciated by all and sundry. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Sinister: Who do they support competition?
by Keith Watson 26 Nov '97

26 Nov '97

>So I've admitted it. I'm a Thistle fan (not a football fan mind, a >Thistle fan). I've come out. That was almost as hard as admitting to >Mary, my ex and best friend, that I've slept with her boyfriend. >(He's a polygamist, so it was alright.) I'm a Thistle fan too - well not much of one, but one nonetheless, last time I saw them they played Motherwell in 1979. Was born in the Queen Mothers. Oh Chris is a Celtic fan. Save the Jags. Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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