December 1997 - Sinister

RE: Sinister: pop and non-pop
by Hopkins T 16 Mar '98

16 Mar '98

>Stairway to Heaven and Smoke on the Water do not make me feel more *manly*, >I just like them. That's cool. I think they're vile and that's cool too. >I figure I'm just going to have a hard time bottling up all the >types of music I like and calling it something - it's just not going to >happen. Mmmm, it's impossible. I'm not really trying to find a word for a particular kind of music, or particular kinds of music, I'm talking about a word for a particular kind of feeling. Not just a kind of happy/sad/excited/calmed/whatever, but that feeling when something really sends you, y'know. >Actually, that above stuff its just total toss, it's basically down to >you don't like it and figure that you're right and others are wrong. I don't think it's toal toss (but then you do and you're right and I'm wrong, prob'ly...;-)). I'm sorry if it irritated you. Not even I am dumb enough to believe that there are objective rights and objective wrongs when it comes to music. The point I was trying to make (and clearly I should do it in a less ham-fisted way next time) was that great pop fun is to be had by taking up (relatively) arbitrary positions and holding on to them for dear life, until you get bored. This is pop, and it's not doing anybody any harm to hold a few extreme opinions on the merits of the likes of Deep Purple. I remember the excitement I felt the first time I heard Subway Sect's 'A Different Story', heard him sing 'We Oppose All Rock And Roll'. the power of saying these things is part of the great power of pop. It was important to me that I loved McCarthy and hated the March Violets (or whoever) in 1986. There's a great tradition of drawing arbitrary lines: Wyndham Lewis's Blast/Bless way back; Tom Vague did the same thing. And the famous Westwood/Rhodes T-shirt. "One day you're gonna wake up and know which side of the bed you're on". Sometimes it's fun. And I don't think I'm too off-beam in saying there's a lot of pop-good in getting up folks' noses from time to time. It's not as though I'm advocating violence or anything, or that I advocate the taking of such extreme positions outside POP! (the feeling). See, pop allows that creation of self.... And let the person who has never called a band or a record shite stand up and take the rosette for best liberal of the year. Ten years ago I would have spat 'hippy' at the endof that sentence. I shan't today. See, I have grown up a bit. 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Sinister: eureka
by superbob 22 Jan '98

22 Jan '98

alright, everyone....and especially that one who wanted ideas of promotional stuff. i was driving in my car today and a little bubble rose above my head that said "eureka", because i know the best idea for promoting the next album. listen up: the first thousand copies come with a cd of tigermilk.....and only 1000 copies. no more. ever. that way we can get our hands on it, and it would still remain a rare collectable sort of thing. i think i deserve a nobel prize. now on to other business: i can't begin to name my favorite b&s moments. so here's some of my other favorite stuff: 1. when i wake up the morning and i go downstairs to get a cold glass of juice or milk or whatever, and i drink it and i can feel it coating my stomach because it's the first thing to go down there in a while. 2. going over a little dip in the road and you can feel your stomach rise like you're on a rollercoaster. 3. when it's raining and the sun's still shining bright. i love that. 4. when my philosophy professor gets all heated up and starts freely using the adjective "fucking". and sometimes he'll say "jesus christ" as an expression and you can see the ears melting off the holy rollers in the front of the class. there's more. but not now. i gotta pace myself. i do have one b&s question though, and i'll try to ask it delicately as possible. does the term "on the rag" mean the same thing in scotland as it does here in america? here, it's a crude term for saying a given girl is going through "that time of the month". i'm just curious for no particualr reason. oh and one more question...is stuart a very religious man? i read that thing where he went to church, and i've read a couple of other things, or is he just fascinated with the idea of religion? curious again for no particular reason. bye. brad ********************************************* that smile on your face i tried to erase that smile on your face but a kiss was not the answer a drunken kiss was not the answer (bill callahan) ********************************************* ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Sinister: press release
by plaird 10 Jan '98

10 Jan '98

>hey. a couple months back or less a press release was posted to the >list for 3..6..9. the one where some member of the band reckoned some >song on the new e.p. sucked or something to that effect. >could whoever posted that, or if anyone saved it, please repost it please. >thanks. >-brad Actually I didn't save the mail, but I was sent one of the press releases, so here it comes: BELLE AND SBASTIAN 3,6,9 SECONDS OF LIGHT EP RELEASED 13 OCTOBER - JEEPSTER featuring the songs: CENTURY OF FAKERS LE PASTIE DE LA BOURGEOISIE BEAUTIFUL PUT THE BOOK BACK ON THE SHELF Hello, I've been asked to write a press release for this, our latest record. I have never written one before. I have never seen any of our previous press releases. I don't have access to one, so I can't copy it. I'm in the group, I play guitar. I assume this goes out to journalists at the newspapers and the music press. I have not read that much on the group previously, but I believe we have done quite well with regards to exposure in the press: mostly positive, occasionally ecstatic and sometimes quite derisory. I don't care, I love it all. It's great reading about your group in the press, including the inevitable inaccuracies (but that somehow only adds to the fun). One thing though Much has been made of our unwillingness to do interviews and be photographed. I don't understand it. During the early summer you couldn't open a magazine without someone in the band's mug and words of wisdom staring back up at you. I suppose if we get perceived as awkward, contrary, Scottish Indie Popsters, that's the way it goes. I'm not complaining, it's only showbiz and I'm quite grateful for all the attention. Right now we are making more records and attempting to get better at playing gigs. I know we are a shambles, but we've only played about ten shows and the gaps between songs etc. are caused through ineptitude. We could never be deliberately contemptuous of an audience and we are trying to get better - HONEST! Which brings me to our latest record. It's really good, and I like it a lot. Track 2 is my favourite, although wee Chris on keyboards thinks it sucks. Track 4 is a really good song, which I think we could have done much better, although Mark at the record company went wild for it. Well, so much is in the ear of the beholder I guess. Anyway, I hope you will like it. Love Stevie. ************************************************************ and if that's not enough, I was also sent LLPJ, so here's the PR: LAZY LINE PAINTER JANE EP RELEASED 28TH JULY - JEEPSTER This is Belle and Sebastian's new single. It's about a girl called Jane, who is lazy. Belle and Sebastian are lazy too, but they don't draw lines. "It would take too much effort" (Stuart David - Belle and Sebastian). "I used to dream of making music this good, used to wish that I'd written all the songs that I'd ever fallen in love with. Then along comes this band who seem to drift effortlessly into my life, just to as effortlessly create the songs that I now fall in love with. After so long of liking half an album or half an EP, it's a bit strange not to be able to fault a whole back catalogue and they still continue adding to it. 'Photo Jenny' is all those moments when my innocent desire turned to innocent want (in the 'Pictures of Lily' vein). 'You Made Me Forget My Dreams' is the morning after you first tell someone that you love them and 'Lazy Line Painter Jane' has so far escaped meaning, It's just an epic of a song if 'just' can be used in that way. That's what these songs are to me, maybe they mean something totally different, maybe I read too much into these things. Either way I don't think I could carry on as I did, now I have these songs in my head." David Kitchen (Official Fanclub Agent) The "Lazy Line Painter Jane'EP is the second of the three summer EPs, all of which contain new material. The four songs on this EP are: LAZY LINE PAINTER JANE PHOTO JENNY YOU MADE ME FORGET MY DREAMS A CENTURY OF ELVIS ***************************************** Phew! yes, I've got a bit of spare time tonight. anyway, brad, could you save it this time? Byee! Paul <plaird(a)ndirect.co.uk> "Go to work on an Egg" - THE EGG Marketing Board ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Us fun-loving Americans
by jkral＠webtv.net 05 Jan '98

05 Jan '98

So... Am I the only American Belle & Sebastian fan or what? Maybe they're not Oasis-ish enough for our grunge-loving music consumers...it's so very sad. Please tell me I am not alone. Jaysen. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Manchester
by jon g. 31 Dec '97

31 Dec '97

Send you experiences/stories/ink polaroids to jon.g(a)btinternet.com and we will make an online scrapbook at http://www.btinternet.com/~jon.g/ Please indicate whether you want your email address prited in the scrapbook or not Thank-you jon g. and bethey the youngest at the manchester matinee jon.g(a)btinternet.com http://www.btinternet.com/~jon.g/

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Sinister: bonjour mes amies
by Tara Widmer 31 Dec '97

31 Dec '97

Hallo there, another newbie to the list. I wanted to take the time to say it's so much fun being in contact with so many other B&S fans; reading the gig reviews is especially interesting! I live in San Francisco and haven't had the opportunity to catch a live appearance yet... will I ever????? My other musical interests run in the typical Britpop vein, and tho Belle is something I've only gotten into over the past few months, I already find myself making compilation tapes for friends, saying "You've got to hear this!!" Have yet to meet any other B&S fans, even in this city reknowned for its Anglophilia (it is, isn't it?) but I look forward to receiving info on the band from all you good good people on the list:-) Regards and Happy New Year, btw! tara nicole ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: stardust memories
by mctag＠mcmail.com 31 Dec '97

31 Dec '97

Hello boys and girls, A mad crazy delicious weekend, and somehow I don't seem capable of reviewing the gigs or anything, but here's a top 10 'moments' 1 All of our friends were there, and some new ones too - Paul 'Cigar Officionado' Mitchell (thanks for the tape), JJ (shortly but sweetly), Soozy, Pam, Stuart 'god you're tall' Gardiner' and Sarah. And the guy who reckons my mails are too long (cheeky fucker!). But nobody gets to meet the Duke. 2 'Modern Rock Song' and 'Slow Graffiti' 3 Staring up at the beautiful ceiling in the Town Hall during 'Seymour Stein' with a tear in my eye, thinking 'I'm really very happy indeed'. 4 David and Katrina being eminently lovable in the face of adversity 5 Half the band arriving at the aftershow when the place was already ludicrously packed, and having to pursuade the landlord that they HAD to come in, only to find myself on the pavement myself going 'err, I'm sorry about this' and feeling like a total fucking amateur. Sorry if anyone couldn't get in. 6 Keith 'All Smiles' Watson and 'naughty little sister' Susannah disco-dancing like mad young things on the stage at the Star and Garter 7 Julian playing Queen's 'Don't stop me now' on Sunday morning and hangover lifting instantly. 8 Chris G, with a bucket under his keyboards on Sunday cos he'd drunk too much on Saturday night. 'Oh, I've accidentally pulled my lead out'. Chris - you're a star. 9 Donovan Lovedrake! 10 Stevie saying 'see you in hell' to a heckler and sounding like Lucifer's child, Stuart saying 'oh my bowels' (or was it balls or bones) for no apparent reason. It was bloody good wasn't it? Happy New Year to you all. Love Kinky Tag xxxxxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: manchester scrapbook
by jon g. 31 Dec '97

31 Dec '97

send you manchester stories to me for a fab webpage. i need loads more sundays (matinee + evening) please - it will be wicked when done.

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Sinister: belle and sebastian on the radio...
by ***Rob B*** 31 Dec '97

31 Dec '97

wow - two b&s tracks on the radio within 24 hours - le pastie late last night, and now stars of track and field, no. 84 in Xfm's top 100 tunes ever - wonder if they'll feature again? love, rob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Sinister: nottingham forest / dog on wheels
by James Morton 31 Dec '97

31 Dec '97

> I figure that if there are now over 400 people on this list ( + I > keep seeing " hi I am new " messages all the time ) Ah, that would be my cue then..."hi, I am new". Erm...I won't start by saying how much I love B&S (although I do), since I'm sure everyone here does if they're on this list, but it is very nice to find so many other people in on the secret. I only heard them for the very first time yesterday after picking up "If You're..." from HMV on a whim (I have a strange habit of buying albums by groups I know nothing about and have never heard just because I like the cover of the record), and after a couple of listens I was already a devoted fan for life. > Okay - oh yeah - I am only recently into the Smiths. I bought ' > Queen is Dead ' after hearing Cemetery Gates. What other albums > should I buy? I also got ' Southpaw Grammar ' by Morrissey for stlg3.99 > which I also like. What good albums has he done? The Smiths are my favourite band by a big margin so this isn't very impartial advice, but...I'd recommend pretty much anything by them - you can never have too many Smiths albums. Louder Than Bombs is a good intro since it includes about 24 songs, but here's the full album list: The Smiths Hatful Of Hollow Meat Is Murder The Queen Is Dead The World Won't Listen Louder Than Bombs Strangeways Here We Come Rank (live album) Plus the inevitable "Best Of..." and singles collections. Moz's solo albums are a bit more variable in quality, but Viva Hate and Vauxhall And I are probably the best. On the subject of other bands, are there any Tindersticks fans here? I first heard B&S mentioned on Marbles (the 'Sticks mailing list) about nine months ago, and I would image there's quite a crossover between fans. bye... James P.S. Oh, and happy new year! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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