December 1997 - Sinister

Re: Sinister: other bands
by Andrew Lison 30 Dec '97

30 Dec '97

Hello everyone! I'm new to this list, so I thought I'd say hello and respond to some of Brandon's Sarah-related stuff. Shame to hear about the break-in. At 03:19 AM 12/30/97 PST, bradford wrote: >i went record shopping the other day and i picked up the trembling blue stars album that a couple of you >mentioned on this list. it was amazing. who can tell me anything else about them. how many albums do they >have. e.p's. i got "her handwriting" Trembling Blue Stars is Robert (?) who used to be in the Field Mice and Northern Picture Library. His girlfriend, Annemari (also of the Field Mice and NPL) broke up with him, causing him to write an entire album about her, "Her Handwriting." Aside from that album, they also have a single, "The Rainbow," which, if you buy on CD, comprises just about everything they've ever put out. It's all produced by Ian Catt, who produced St. Etienne and other good stuff. And, since you liked Sarah 100, you would probably do well to seek out any Northern Picture Library stuff you can find. Most of it is still in print, on Vinyl Japan. Check out their album "Alaska" and their two singles, "Blue Dissolve" and "Love Song for a Dead Che." I'd recommend the Field Mice as well, but their stuff is horribly out of print. >i also picked up a sarah records compilation. sarah 100 there and back again lane, i think it's called. being >from south georgia, i wasn't exposed to all this stuff that you guys (y'all) keep talking about. there's some >really good stuff on it as well. It's funny to see this album mentioned right after I subscribed to the list, because the three albums that have had nonstop play on my stereo have been "If You're Feeling Sinister," Sarah 100, and "Homogenic" by Bjork. I am also pretty new to the whole Sarah thing, being American and only twenty years old. Everything I've heard is great, though. ObB&S: I saw on their web page that the PBS show "Sessions at West 54th Street" was supposed to show a Belle and Sebastian set last Saturday, but I went to their website and found no mention of it. Did this happen, or is it still to come? And also, are there any planned B&S gigs in the next two months or so? I may have to go to England on business and would love to check 'em out. I'll probably post again later seeking more general tips on things to do and places to go, etc. Andrew ___________________________________________________________________________ Someone said that it's not punk to own a computer. Is it punk to break into your neighbors house at night and check your mail on their computer? I'm just trying to keep it real, ya know. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Terrific, but not competent
by Paul_Clarke＠ipc.co.uk 30 Dec '97

30 Dec '97

Don't read this if you're a sensitive sort... Oh, that's everyone isn't it... Bah Humbug, etc, Saturdays gig was SHITE. I had a truly grate time, and when the band all got it together, they were good, and the atmosphere was lovely, and the drink was slowing, and there were some quite beautiful and friendly people there, but the band were ARSE... Their "oops, we're playing the wrong song, at the wrong time, in the wrong time, on the wrong instruments, in the wrong venue, aren't we just so bonkers and eclectic" is not really that clever at all... And 90% of the audience applauding and laughing politely every time the band messed up was one of the most embarrassing and cringeworthy spectacles I've ever witnessed. I can respect the band's decision not to do interviews, or TV, or many gigs, it's their ball, and they can play the game however they like. BUT if they're going to be taking large wads of cash off their adoring audience the very LEAST they could do is not take the piss out of everyone by being so incompetent... Things were good again by sunday night, I hope the sunday afternoon gig was good too if people travelled a long way. ObFoppishness: It was snowing once, and I saw a fox, and it was so beautiful that I shat in my hands and rubbed it on my face. Is that how it's supposed to go? It's been "nice", think I'll unsub any minute now, cheerio... Nice to meat and drink with some of you in Manchester, thanks for the mug and letting us into the club for free to the respective people... Pauly xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Sunday grrr
by Honey 30 Dec '97

30 Dec '97

Well - when Stuart David was in the chatroom last week he told us the Manchester gigs were going to be "crap" - to which we agreed in the anti-sychophantic way you do - but - well was he half right? Susannah's dead right - Saturday was a bit of a shambles, but with sparkles of transfixing beauty that didn't for this sour old trout quite make up for it. Right now I'm kicking myself everytime I read a Sunday review. Any more glowing reports and you all get removed from the list and me and Splat use it to talk catfood. Except I want to hear. For those who weren't there all I can say is from outside the vicinity of the two stages the sound was just very confused and I suspect the band got screwed up by reflections off the huge (and frighteningly beautiful) ceiling. I'm wondering how they got it together for Sunday. The band's pesky antics were as charming as ever but didn't mix so well when the frustration got too high; but the new songs shone and sparkled. Isobel's song was gorgeous (and yes, we were transfixed). But I did leave with a slightly empty feeling as if I hadn't quite been to a B&S gig. I suspect it might have been very different between the two stages, but I was too tired to fight my way in. The meeting before in the Square Albert was the highlight for me - I discovered I *do* want to have all your babies! You're all such a nice bunch I suspect you're employed by the National Health to keep me happy. It was such an amazing experience to meet so many people I'd met here: Keith, Susannah, Pam, David, Katrina, Soozy, Sarah, Tag, Dave, Stuart, John (thanks for the choccie santa), Risso and all the rest of you - well *I* wasn't disappointed! It was a very incomplete experience actually as I wanted to drag you all off and talk about life - maybe we'll do it properly sometime. Three of us made Tag's aftershow for about 30 mins but my pacemaker was running out (joke) so we left and met everyone I wanted to meet on the stairs. I gather we missed half the band a little later and my chance to become a groupie - oh well. Poor D&K though - can I beg anyone in Manchester to do some undercover detective work to find some of this merchandise - D&K - if there's anything 400 people can do here just ask. Oh yes, and it *is* 400 - we just passed the mark yesterday! Welcome to everyone new and erm... pull up a chair and put your feet up with a nice cuppa. Finally - well I'm doing a lot of sitting around just now but I'll reply to emails, requests for tapes etc. SOOOOOON. Hey and did I miss anyone I promised a tape to at the gig - if so mail me. And could someone beam me back to Sunday please? Honey xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Ally ally o
by stephen troussé 30 Dec '97

30 Dec '97

So... Sunday. Get stuck in a two hour jam in Birmingham and arrive in Manchester ghost-town very late and irate. Check in at what must be the swankiest youth hostel in the world, and set out to find the pub. But the Square Albert is closed and there's a note saying 'We've gone to the Ferris Wheel'. We ask lots of people if they know of a pub called the Ferris Wheel, but no-one knows it. Sometimes I think I'm not literal enough. Anyway, we get into the hall, which is a vision of splendour, and meet lots of mad list people (Soozy, Susannah, Kate, Keith, Rob, Tag) all telling me how fantastic the aftershow had been. Curses...why did I have to come on the Sunday? Anyway, missed Future Pilot. Finally went into the actual hall just before B&S appear. They've decided to adopt a very strange stage line-up, as though they're about to play a particularly one-sided game of British Bulldog: Stuart M, Stevie, Mick, Isobel and Sarah facing directly opposite Chris and Richard, with the PA piled into a kind of totem pole in the middle. Two songs into the set and they're already living up to their reputation for being world-class shamblers, as the cello seems to require some kind of intensive care. Stevie amuses us with Matchstick Cats and Dogs, and points out the resemblance of the riff from La Pastie to the beginning of Emmerdale Farm. I'm feeling alternately a bit irritated and a bit amused at the shambolic set, when suddenly Isobel sings the most beautiful version of Orange Juice's 'In a Nutshell' you're ever likely to hear, with 'Sha sha sha sha sha' BVs from Stuart M, and the gig really takes off. The new songs in particular, with Stuart at the keyboard were just stunning. A qualified triumph, then, with Stevie Jackson again claiming the title of Greatest Living Scotsman. Hello to everyone I met, and everyone I didn't meet, come to think of it. May a strong wind blow the t-shirt thief straight to hell. Stephen xxxxxx ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ The Poetry Society Website http://www.poetrysoc.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Civic pride
by Nick Dastoor/BSHO/GB 30 Dec '97

30 Dec '97

Uh-uh-uh (supposed to be the noise of a small child desperately trying to get its words out but too excited to do anything but attract attention with a repetitive kind of squeal). So much to say. I've just returned to work (boo!) and thus internet access and read through piles and piles of wonderful archived sinister postings. Beat Patrol and Susannah's questions being answered and the start of the avalanche of Manchester-related gushing. It's all enough to make me forget my looming mountains of unopened post and inevitable end of year direction of life angst. Err.. yes, the Town Hall. Sigh. I left work before the meet up details were posted so I missed out on all that. Perhaps this was a bad thing. But I went to Saturday's with some friends from Manchester I haven't seen for two years so it would have all been a bit awkward. I hope those who did meet up had fun and were not shocked by each other's appearances. As I looked around Albert Square at everyone I was somehow disappointed. How rude of me. I don't know what would have impressed me. Probably not looking at myself. Partly it was just the preponderance of twenty-something males in studenty attire. Which probably covers me, but I do look about 12 so maybe I don't count. Oh, I don't know what I'm on about. I suddenly sound all negative and that's no good. Because I come to praise not to bury (: I'm not going to attempt a review of Saturday's concert. Just some random thoughts: it was a shambles....the sound was pretty ropey...it made me laugh when we were finally let in and people started forming the only orderly single-file queue for a bar i've ever seen (although this soon broke down and B&S fans showed themselves for the beer monsters they really are)...after queuing for about half an hour for an ill-advised third drink a kind boy said i think she's first and then _she_ said actually i think _he's_ first and then i failed to carry on the goodwill and said yes i think i am...thankyou whoever you are...stuart murdoch doesn't look like he does in the few photos i've seen...less debonair and more gawky...i was too far back in the crowd...my (female) friend said later that every male in the audience was transfixed by isobel...i thought it was just me...everyone stood still...the same friend also said that the girl at the merchandise stall (Katrina) was dead posh...i left not allowing myself to think that it had been a little bit joyless. But Sunday lunchtime - ah, now that was a whole lot different. Just me on my lonesome this time. I arrived just as everyone got chucked out to wait outside which meant that I ended up being right at the front of the queue. Got talking to a rather snooty boy who was slagging off the t-shirts and the prospect of 'teenyboppers' ruining everything by dancing and singing along. Stopped talking to him after a while. Skip forward to sitting cross-legged right in front of the right (in theatre direction terms) side of the stage. Waited for hours reading Little Ink Movies and Creme Anglaise, surveying the scene and wondering what happened to the festive film idea. Failed to talk to anyone. Wondered what I must look like to everyone else a lot. Gosh e-mails get long when you do this sort of thing. Is anyone even still with me? I shall abandon the chronological approach. So I spent the whole wonderful time under Stuart Murdoch's nose. And yes it was wonderful (not his nose - that was only adequate). Everything that was disappointing about Saturday was put to rights. Saturday was like a rehearsal really - intriguing but they didn't really gel. Completely different set of 14 songs except for Arab Strap. Better selection of new stuff. Tigermilk rocked like a lemur. Everyone filled in for Stuart when he forgot his terry underwear. We all cheered Stevie (who seemed an excellent steadying presence on the proceedings - I'm sure he makes an excellent counsellor) and his ever-shining Seymour Stein. Mick Cooke's very handsome, isn't he? And best of all, I grabbed a set-list at the end. As well as being something generally t reasurable, it let me put names to gorgeous new songs like Simple Things. And next to Expectations the absent-minded Boy Stuart had written the first lines of some of the verses that he has difficulty remembering. Some people I noticed - anyone recognise themselves? : - An Edwyn Collins lookalike in rather dapper clothes who wandered around for a while, then appeared to be worshipping the speaker stack, and finally spotted a man in glasses round the other side of the stage so dashed around there, where he stayed for the rest of the evening. - A boy in black with worrying maroon slip-on shoes complete with gold buckle and a perfectly accessorised gold carrier bag. He sat just behind me on the floor near the front whilst waiting for the band to appear, and seemed as on his own as me. - A girl with big red hair sitting on a podium stage right. - A girl with lanky hair and glasses, wearing a flowery pink blouse and a red tank top. I kicked your elbow as I negotiated the seated hoards on my from way back from the gents. You said "Ow!". I said "Oops! Sorry". Sorry again. If I'd been a quick-thinking pervert I could have kissed it better and then said "But I'm only re-enacting the lyrics to Seeing Other People". But luckily I'm neither quick-thinking nor a pervert. - A bloke with long hair and glasses who was behind me at the front. You tried to attract Isobel's attention at the end, perhaps to get her set list or something, but her attention wasn't to be attracted. - Someone who I'm sure was Danny the miserable loner off "Grange Hill". Tell me this is true! - Some tallish skinny boy right at the front who spoke to no one, grinned inanely throughout the set, and unzipped his murky green top to reveal a cornflower blue Go-Betweens T-Shirt. Oh, of course - that was me! So long all. I think I've outstayed my welcome. Hope to meet you all one day...errrm...I'll get me coat. Nick nick_dastoor.bsho(a)notes.compuserve.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . 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Sinister: Manchester gigs review
by susannah 30 Dec '97

30 Dec '97

Ok, OK, can't remember precisely which songs when and what have you, but basically this is my own personal review of Saturday and Sunday nights performances. Some scenes may be unsuitable for young children. Saturday Night. Missed most of Arab Strap, what with alcohol being confined to the small bar space outside the main hall, but finished my drink and wandered on in. Crowded upstairs in the Town Hall, the ceilings look massive and the stage is sprawling out like some twisted arm, I decide to stand just sort of in the middle somewhere, between the two speakers, and waited until an assorted motley crue lolloped on stage, smiled and picked up their instruments. They 'launch' or rather, fall into the first which is sweet and pretty (look I told you I can't remember which songs OK?), but so very quiet. What follows is the sort of dissarray that B&S have seem to have made their trademark, false starts, different members of the bands playing different songs, Stuart Murdoch forgetting the words, and standing around nonchalantly tuning instruments. One half of the audience laps it up, laughing each time theres a slip up, and clapping if they actually GET IT RIGHT, as if by complete accident they manage to pull off a song. If Stuart Murdoch had simply walked on and taken a piss, there would have been applause. The other half, like me, are waiting, loving the songs themselves but standing around muttering during the long disorganised breaks, so wanting and willing them to pull off a couple of songs in succession so we can actually get going and the exhilaration can carry over. Instead it just dissolves, flattened by the sheer incompetency of what seems at times like your little brother's high school band. Someone behind me shouts out 'Get your fucking act together' when again, a song collapses and Stuart shuffles and mumbles 'this is just embarrasing' . I sigh . Look, if you're going to play, like, one gig a year, at least bother to rehearse beforehand? Sunday Night. Again, cannot comment on the support, so I'll leave a gap for you to fill in with your own thoughts, or some doodles of flowers or something... Right, walk in and wait for the Rum Bunch to assemble once again, half resigned to the shambles of the night before.. Instead, they start off with (?) and suddenly the sound is richer and deeper than the previous, Stuarts voice sounds fantastic and the melodies surge in waves . I cross my fingers and hope... A couple of songs in, it all breaks down again, theres something wrong with Isobels cello , I think 'Oh God here we go again..' but I needn't have worried as when finally they start again after an impromtu 'and he painted matchstick men and matchstick cats and dogs' by Stuart and Stevie, the songs roll on, sounding bigger and better. When 'Get me away' starts , the difference is astounding, last night it was weak and thin, but tonight it gushes and flows. I'm in heaven at this point, the dissapointments of yesterday all forgotten. One after another they roll past, The State I am in, Modern Rock Song, Judy, Century of Elvis, She's Losing it, Le Pastie, etc. THIS is who I came to see, they're playing together, the sound levels perhaps tweaked overnight, they are wonderful and the audience starts to dance. I love it. Isobels solo number, she stands gazing skywards, her eyelashes fluttering wildly and her glittery top catching the flashes of a thousand camera flashes. If Stuart has got all of us eating out of the palm of his hand by now, then God only knows what they're doing to Isobel. Watching Stevie play guitar is my latest fascination, the way he pouts and plucks with his mad flailing right arm, ' someone shouts 'Stevie go solo' and Stuart M grins and retorts 'ssshhhhhhhh !'. I come away thrilled and smiling. ******************************************************************************** We're four boys in our corduroys, we're terrific but incompetent !! ******************************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: RE: LE MANS!
by Iker 30 Dec '97

30 Dec '97

Hi everyone! My name's Iker and I'm new in Sinister. I live in Italy, but my mom's from San Sebastian, Euskadi, the place from where LE MANS come from. Le Mans was born from Aventuras de Kirlian's ashes, and it is one of the most important bands in spanish indie-pop renassaince. Everyone of you should try them out, believe me... You can find all the info you need at: www.get.es/elefant ( elefant records is a GREAT label! ) e-mail: elefant(a)get.es ( please tell Luis that Iker from Italy told you to write... ) Here's a small Le Mans' discography: ER-1005 LE MANS ( c.d./l.p. ) ER-1020 ENTRESEMANA ( c.d./l.p. ) ER-1023 SAUDADE ( c.d./l.p. ) ...just fantastic... ED-002 ZERBINA ( mini c.d./l.p. ) ED-004 JONATHAN JEREMIAH ( maxi-single/c.d.-single ) ER-312 MI NOVELA AUTOBIOGRAFICA ( mini l.p./c.d. ) ...There's more, but I can't remember now... Elefant Records also publishes EXCLUSIVE stuff by bands like Ivy, Spring, Allen Clapp, Orange Cake Mix, Will Oldham, Po!, St.Christopher,... O.K., I hope of having been helpful. If anyone of you needs more info about spanish bands could write me at: Iker(a)iol.it CIAO! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Re: a lemur is for life, not just for Christmas
by shelley wilkinson 30 Dec '97

30 Dec '97

..on Tue, 23 Dec 1997 12:26:25 GMT, Tag questioned... > Oh, and Susannah, when you ask 'Is Stuart ginger?', is that literally, > or in Cockney rhyming slang. The strawberry blond people on the list > are easily hurt, you know. And yes, that does include me. me too (sniffle, sniffle... i'll just be in the corner if you need me) shelley ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Re: other bands
by Ivo A P Escossia 30 Dec '97

30 Dec '97

> also, the guy told me if liked b&s that i would like this band called le mans. he let me hear some of it, but he only had it on vinyl and i am record player-less. but it sounded like belle and sebastian being sung in spanish. it was really good, too. i wanted it moreso than trembling blue stars, but, well, i've alreayd told you. > so, who knows anything about a band called le mans? they are on elefant records. Le Mans , a Spanish Belle & Sebastian ? I don't think so ! but i DO know some good LM 's songs . Try http://www.nstop.com/grimsey/ "Sunny Spanish pop music with enchanting bounce and irresistible flamenco swing. Combines their first two albums on one CD." (Grimsey Records Page) They also have "Un Rayo de Sol" 7" single. Cessna is a GREAT band too... I'm so in love with their album (a cool double 3" Cd ) The Label http://www.algonet.se/~elegans/radiok/ The Band http://www.sci.fi/~solaris/cessna/ Denver,another great band. If you love Felt.....you will like Denver. Their 7" is so good Denver Page http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/smaughan/denver/homepage.htm Hey... This is the B&S list.....sorry !!!! Happy 1998 !!! Ivo A P Escossia ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: IMPORTANT
by David & Katrina 30 Dec '97

30 Dec '97

well, most of you now know this due to meeting us, but this is more a press statement type thing just to let you all know what happened and what's happening. on the friday night (day before the gig), we parked our hired van in our hotel carpark in salford, manchester. we thought all was well and went to bed peacefully. we woke at about 3:30 by some weird noise, but the van was still there and bed beckoned. the next day at breakfast stuart david came over and pointed out that there appeared to be a box of shirts or something outside the rear of our van... we went over and discovered the mess. the rear window had been smashed to non-existance and every piece of merchandise was missing - except about 2 1/2 boxes of mugs. what we've had stolen is: the last of the bus design shirts, both green/yellow and brown/orange designs the cartoon design shirts, the white, blue and green designs a lot of mugs cd's of every release (except dog on wheels which we'd sold out of) enamel badges ink polaroids (hundreds of 'em) what we need to ask is that of anyone lives in manchester and sees any of this, could you please inform PC Aspey at Greater Manchester Police, or if anyone sees any merchandise appear in any publications (UK or worldwide) or any shops, again please call the police. the only exception is that a few shops in Glasgow do have the cartoon shirts, but everything else is exclusive to us, if it's seen then it must be part of the stolen loot. we'd also appreciate it if you could also inform us so we know what's going on -- the other part of this press release is linked to the theft. because of the amount of stock we've lost and the time it will take to produce a basic stock again we are temporarily unable to supply orders via mail-order or the Internet, as such our merchandise page will be removed until we have new stock. we hope this is no later than the beginning of Feb, but this is also around the soonest it will be. we are able to honour a few of the smaller orders that were submitted before the theft. we will notify everyone personally after the 7th Jan to let you know if your order will be honoured (we're taking a well deserved holiday to Glasgow and won't be able to help before the 7th). -- apart from that, the gigs were heaven and the people we met were lovely. it's a shame our weekend was tainted so, but sometimes that's just the way it goes. we'll speak to you all when we get back from Glasgow. with love david and katrina @ the fanclub -- ******************************************************************** Belle and Sebastian Fan Club merchandise, mail-outs, chat, lyrics, poetry, fiction http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/ mailto:bluesoda@totalweb.co.uk ******************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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