January 1998 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: 'Names that will live forever'
by babyblu＠gold.globalcafe.co.uk 11 May '98

11 May '98

Deep breath... Steely dan- vibrator in Clockwork orange. Moloko- means 'milk' in Clockwork orangeuse. Campaq Velocet- means ...erm something in Clockwork orangeuse. The Fall- Top Camus novel. Orlando- Virginia Woolf opus. The Bible- Little known work by John Baptist, or somebody. Heaven 17- name of a band in Clockwork orange (Hmmmm, perhaps fledgling bands should really read some OTHER books) The Velvet Underground- name of a trashy pulp novel about sado-masochism that Lou Reed found in the street. My Bloody Valentine- name of a trashy pulp novel about sado-masochism that Kevin Sheilds found, after years spent scouring bookshops and libraries in order that he too could have a band name a bit like The Velvet Underground. Millions basically...... Stay Lucky, Roryxxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Sinister: pop and non-pop
by Hopkins T 16 Mar '98

16 Mar '98

>Stairway to Heaven and Smoke on the Water do not make me feel more *manly*, >I just like them. That's cool. I think they're vile and that's cool too. >I figure I'm just going to have a hard time bottling up all the >types of music I like and calling it something - it's just not going to >happen. Mmmm, it's impossible. I'm not really trying to find a word for a particular kind of music, or particular kinds of music, I'm talking about a word for a particular kind of feeling. Not just a kind of happy/sad/excited/calmed/whatever, but that feeling when something really sends you, y'know. >Actually, that above stuff its just total toss, it's basically down to >you don't like it and figure that you're right and others are wrong. I don't think it's toal toss (but then you do and you're right and I'm wrong, prob'ly...;-)). I'm sorry if it irritated you. Not even I am dumb enough to believe that there are objective rights and objective wrongs when it comes to music. The point I was trying to make (and clearly I should do it in a less ham-fisted way next time) was that great pop fun is to be had by taking up (relatively) arbitrary positions and holding on to them for dear life, until you get bored. This is pop, and it's not doing anybody any harm to hold a few extreme opinions on the merits of the likes of Deep Purple. I remember the excitement I felt the first time I heard Subway Sect's 'A Different Story', heard him sing 'We Oppose All Rock And Roll'. the power of saying these things is part of the great power of pop. It was important to me that I loved McCarthy and hated the March Violets (or whoever) in 1986. There's a great tradition of drawing arbitrary lines: Wyndham Lewis's Blast/Bless way back; Tom Vague did the same thing. And the famous Westwood/Rhodes T-shirt. "One day you're gonna wake up and know which side of the bed you're on". Sometimes it's fun. And I don't think I'm too off-beam in saying there's a lot of pop-good in getting up folks' noses from time to time. It's not as though I'm advocating violence or anything, or that I advocate the taking of such extreme positions outside POP! (the feeling). See, pop allows that creation of self.... And let the person who has never called a band or a record shite stand up and take the rosette for best liberal of the year. Ten years ago I would have spat 'hippy' at the endof that sentence. I shan't today. See, I have grown up a bit. 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Sinister: Killing an ARAB and BOGSHED
by Keith Watson 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

>> Ultrasound looking absolutely fucking brilliant though. What a song >> they placed!! I think I will see them at the Conway Hall in London >> now. I was gonna see Cornershop but naahhhh! Indeed the track on the NME tape is lovely, my mate tells me the current single's a bit dull but what a track on the NME tape, certainly brings Marquee Moon to mind, but in a very good way. The annoying bit being the fact that this bloke out of Ultrasound's taking such a slagging for being a big bloke, even the fucking NME's joining in on this, can't they just leave him to get on with it, it's very poor form, and the track I've heard is way beyond the capacity of many a young band (one band from Edinburgh with a little pink haired chap in it springs to mind! Idlewild who are getting the most ridiculous amount of press attention at the moment - due to them having released a single on "Mr.Indie" Steve Lamacq's label used to play to a completely bored audience at the student union in Edinburgh last year, this years Ned's Atomic Dustbin... Oh, that's Symposium is it? Well This years second Ned's Atomic Dustbin perhaps). Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: dance magic dance
by blink＠inexpress.net 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

Dear Sinister peeps, Hello! I recommend a snowshow workout to anybody! When I started out I was falling behind,then one after another I was telling off things and soon I was kicking the snow through the air..it was wonderful...and my you change,befoer it was all praise Arab Strap and now it's kick him till he dies. >From: susannah <susannah(a)tormentor.clara.net> >Subject: Sinister: Whats the difference between Clinton and the Titanic? Only 200 people went down on the Titanic I love Bill Clinton. >Genevieve your crown is under threat so get your madcap hat on and repeat after >me: >'I love you fishcake boy, your elbows are so like , um how do I say? pointy >pointy .' I don't understand this 'mad' reputation I have,I make sense in my posts.I am not crazy,just in love.Anyways,i like wearing flowers instead of crowns! Who is the fishcake boy? I know a Reptilian Man,he tried to touch my eyelids..and you know why? His friend told him it's a big turn-on for women.As I get my eye poked out!Ooh...sexy! Anyways..I'm with Tag,I think pervy lyrics are funny..most of the time I don't even understand them though and i get a jab in the side and a 'YOU CAN'T SAY THAT HERE!' Anyways,I was crying so much yesterday I think I was howling,I scared the cats anyways,I scared myself too! So to cheer myself up I put on The Labyrinth. "You remind me of the babe." "What babe?" "The babe with the POWER!" "What power?" "Power...VOODOO!" "Who,you?" "You do." "Do what? "Remind me of the babe!" I wonder,does David Bowie look back at this and wonder? Anyways,I love this movie..sorry no pointy fishcake boy...but that's a real gem,well maybe not to just anybody,but if you know the movie,just picture Jareth with his crop and jodpurrrs going 'The babe with the power!'to the goblin and then breaking into song!lovely lovely.... you all never answer my questions,are there any Belle & Sebby tshirts left? Well,I probably wouldnt' get one anyways,by the time you change the money into brit pounds...I think I will make my own,with sequins! dance magic dance,jump magic jump work that baby spell on me.... Genevieve xoxo ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: First time I have ever laughed out loud at an email...
by northy 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

Hey List > Ricky Tikki Tavi Northy wrote: > > >I ordered my poster on Monday and got it on Wednesday so the people > >at VinylTap are pretty quick. > > > >Poster is brill and hanging up as the pride of my room but it does > >come folded and not in a proper poster sender so it has crease marks > >:( > > Oh, god! That's just awful. Can we all rally round? A benefit gig, > something like that. *Here it is* The one time I have ever laughed out loud at an email message. And I am not being sarcastic! Well done Tag (hey what happened to protecting me from the nasty list members!) > Fat Scottish blokes are bastards aren't they? Should have slaughtered > the lot of them at Culloden. Yup. > With my life, if necessary Oh! There it is! Thanx man! > Fuck, I missed the Simpsons. I watch the Simpsons sometimes twice a day and I never get bored of it! I also love patronising my friends who only have "BBC2 Simpsons" by quoting endlessly from the newer (and better ones) he...he...he. Peace people! Northy Hows about a BESEEN chat on one the Belle and Sebastian page? They are great! ________________________________________________ get up turn light on take gown don gown look inside pocket take analgesic _________________________________________________ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: newcomer type stuff
by C Browning 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

i always hate first e.mails to mailing lists. you come across all naive and stupid because you don't know the protocol and jargon. but i've never been in a mailing list as - well - argumentative as this one! i don't mean bickering but everytime i check my e.mail i have about five new messages - makes me look dead popular as well. and i must admit its rather fun. on the XTC list, people tend to just dream about new recordings, on the flying nun one i get frustrated cos i'll never be able to track down the arsing stuff but here each e.mail seems to be genuinely interesting discussing the musical underbelly of the uk. here at loughborough music is still in the oasis/prodigy predictable glut so its a refreshing change to have all this discussion about bands like ultrasound and mogwai and the beloved b&s who will be shaping the music world for years to come, when people have finally realised the vacuity of the brothers gallagher. to me "if you're feeling sinister" had the effect on first listening that i imagine a listener thirty odd years ago would have had first listening to someone like nick drake. in many ways he's as influential in the world of music now as ever, name dropped all over the place. belle and sebastian have that air of unprecious naturally polished jewel that, just because it isn't big and obvious isn't appreciated by the masses. but neither should it be. i admit i do tend to choose my favourite bands from their rating as undiscovered classic, obscure type categories. but good music is good music. you may like arab strap (i found it a little - er - wilfully amateur for amateur's sake, but i'm sure they were fully aware of that) or the manics (too earnest for me , but hey they covered 'taking teh skin heads bowling' so we know they have some sense of humour) or the beegees as far as i care. i'll even let some people off for liking oasis (only just though) but whatever belle and sebastian are to me, unlike any other band out there. i played the album once and knew i will be playing it for as long as i have arms to press the button marked play and ears to hear it. and that surely is teh mark of good music. before you all write and ask me what the hell i'm on about, i'd just like to say i'm not really sure. but hey. let me off. i'm new. thanks for making life at loughborough a little more interesting with your discussions at any rate. i think i'll be happy here as it were. i'll stop rambling now and go. chris browning ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: stupid post
by blink＠inexpress.net 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

Dear pretty people, >Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:17:50 -0000 >From: ELIZABETH DAPLYN <EDAPLYNR3N00297(a)kiadroch.kiad.ac.uk> >Subject: Sinister: I need a shady lane >Hurrah! I went to see Travis last Friday at the Astoria. It was part >of the NME Br*t Shows, but let's not dwell on such unpleasantnesses. >Good grief, but the Hybirds are shite. Ultrasound were really cool, >despite lovely choruses of "You fat bastard" from Cro-Magnon Man in all >his glory, and Travis were absolootly gorgeous. I love Franny! Also: >Wierd Occurrences: An Occasional Item: I like Franny..but I love Dougie Payne..oh him of the bored face and tshirt and mustard leather jacket!And his name...Dougie...dougie dougie dougie.... > Hey! Genevieve! You're making more sense than normal! If you >carry on like this no-one will think you're as cute any longer. Get >back to loopiness right away is my recommendation. i think I make sense,and I'm not cute..I have horns a little beard and a tail. But no claws. >I've met David Bowie, dontchaknow? > >ObB&S: I know someone called Jenny, and would like a photo of her, but I >don't have one. Is that on-topic enough? > >Rod. Wow! You know I would love to meet him,but in the Labyrinth style...with his cape and the crystal ball doing the wavy hand motion thing and the 'If you turn it just so you can see into your dreams!' Actually...I don't really know much of his music...I know Velvet Goldmine....and that's about it.... >Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:05:47 -0800 (PST) >From: Nicole Elger <nicolina(a)drizzle.com> >Subject: Sinister: happy bunny thanks >Genevieve, make sure to check your snail mail often, as I'm sure half the >guys on this list have squished themselves into boxes with air-holes and >mailed themselves off to you, and they are probably eager to get out and >stretch. (Hey, maybe that's why the list has been slow lately: too many >people trapped in boxes!) I think there should be a French-Canadian >remake of the great (but short-lived) US TV show "My So-Called Life." You >would be the perfect Angela (Claire Danes) and your record store crush boy >sounds just right for the part of gorgeous-but-aloof Jordan. Instead of >sneaking out to go to a Buffalo Tom concert, you'd be going to see B&S, >bien sur! Sadly,nobody appear in boxes...but it could be the canadian postal system...speediest around,you know... You know how the lovely that idea is! I have not seen beautiful record store boy for a long time now..it seems like a long time anyways..I was GOING to see him yesterday actaully,it was carnivale day and while everyone was playing pool I was going to slip away...but NO...Marcelle just kept driving by....he just...drove...right by... I have no news on B&S but I have news on the Stuart David lookalike! 1,his voice doens't match his face 2....He has the same guitar (brand) as me 3...his fingers just FLY over his guitar..it's so beautiful to watch,it always amazes me when people do riffs like that... And I had another dream,where we were juste lie together on this beautiful hill of knee deep grass..the grass was so green...like emeralds,you know? Then S.D got this attitude and started complaining about his guitar.....ohhh...damn... ummmm...that's about it, and if you send a letter to Belle and Sebsatian,does it actually get to them,or does some guy sitting in a truck read them and laugh? choco kisses, Genevieve xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Sinister: NB&SC:smiths
by Alan.H 31 Jan '98

31 Jan '98

> meat is murder is brilliant, especially 'suffer little children' erm, "suffer little children" is on the first album...but get MIM just to hear "that joke isn't funny anymore"... alan, mr pedantic ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Sinister: Musings...
by PJMiller 31 Jan '98

31 Jan '98

-----Original Message----- De: André Vieira <alerche(a)ibm.net> Para: sinister(a)majordomo.net <sinister(a)majordomo.net> Fecha: sábado 31 de enero de 1998 15:28 Asunto: RE: Sinister: Musings... >"The Gift" is, in my opinion, the best "narrative song" ever made - from >the haunting first verse ("Waldo Jeffers had reached his limit") to its >breath-taking end ("through the middle of the package, through the middle >of the masking tape, through the card- board, through the cushioning and..."). > And then there's "My Sister" by Tinkersticks, which I think is really really good, and I imagine more of a direct influence on Belle and Sebastian's talking efforts. Which I still haven't heard. Another good one with talking on is "Cherry Blossoms" (?), which is my favourite Tinkersticks song, don't know what it's about though. >By the way, how many of you in the list are also Velvet lovers? > semi-devout Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Sinister: The Claim
by Perfection As A Hipster 31 Jan '98

31 Jan '98

The Duke of Harringay wrote ... >Perfection As A Hipster wrote: > >> The first comparable tune that stroke my mind when obtaining "The >> first big >> weekend" 7" was "Mike the bike" by the Claim which can be found on the >> "Birth of a teenager" 7" (UK/Caff 08/'90) ... > >Andreas, i love you, but you knew that already :-) The Claim were >fucking genius, as the boy Hopkins will also testify, and 'Mike The >Bike', with one Vic templar on the speech front, was, to coin the >hopkins phrase book, a copper-bottomed classic. 'Birth Of A Teenager' >was no slouch either. If anyone wants to hear The Claim mail me and >i'll make a tape... Actually I've dropped the Claim for your delight and knew that you would continue this thread. §;^D Anyway, following my experience I thought I'd mention that the complete Claim output suits a C60 cassette perfectly, but you could also compile a C90 cassette adding some early Hurrah! stuff for the clever listees pursueing your generous offer ... "Hip hip" ... or ... "Are you scared to get happy ?" Andreas The rain it raineth on the just And also on the unjust fella But more upon the just because The unjust steals the just's umbrella (Charles Baron Bowen) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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