March 1998 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: calling all lawyers! urgent!
by tinystar＠worldy.com 12 Mar '98

12 Mar '98

Hi, Sorry to post this to the list, but I'm in a bind. I'm writing a paper on Nike (thesis: Nike exploits women workers in the Pacific Rim), and I desperately need some legal type of help. If there are any lawyers reading this, or if anyone knows a lawyer with email and could forward this, I'd reallyreally appreciate your replies, as soon as possible. The more answers, the better. When replying, please include your full name, credentials, the agency you're employed with (if any), your email address and your office address. Phone number is optional. Send all replies to tinystar(a)worldy.com. Basically, what I need to know is this: 1. Define 'exploitation'. 2. Is it up to the parent company or the contractor to enforce labour laws? 3. Should it be the parent company (Nike) or the individual factory owners who take the blame for rights violations? 4. To what degree is a company responsible for the goings-on it its factories, in instances where work is contracted out? 5. Should a company ensure that its employees are paid at least subsistence wage (in instances where this may be above minimum wage)? 6. Can employees be forced to work overtime? Is it reasonable to reprimand/punish those that do not wish to work overtime? 7. a. What is usually done when a company's employees register complaints (such as being verbally abused, forced to run laps around the factories for not meeting quotas, not having adequate medical care available in the workplace)? b. In a case where it is discovered that the accusations are true, does the parent company (in an outsourcing situation) have the right to enforce its own consequences, or must they be dealt with legally? 8. Is it within the realm of the law to request that a factory be closed, after receiving countless reports of rights abuses? 9. Is it legal for Nike to wash their hands of the responsibility for the treatment of workers, in a plant that is ultimately operated by them? Thanks so much, and please remember to include your name, credentials, name of company, company address, and email address. And reply privately - tinystar(a)worldy.com. truly, jessica tinystar(a)worldy.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: The Barry Yorath Report
by PJMiller 12 Mar '98

12 Mar '98

Nudey Actress wrote: >Thanks for everyone for taking part - it was chaotic and sometimes a >little weird. But worth it I think - yeah? Do I detect the merest spark of doubt? I found it a bit deflating myself, but would never dream of saying so because a lot of people were trying very hard to make it work. And I suppose it did work, I just prefer the old Saturday Superstar all sit round and put your hand up approach. Anyway, apparently it's going to feature as part of a phone-in debate about uses of modern technology on Radio Port Talbot's popular lunchtime slot "The Barry Yorath Report". Birmingham-born Barry is said to be very disappointed by the absence of Sturgeon Musgrave, whose records he has been inflicting on the citizens of Port Talbot for some time. A dedicated thrillseeker, Barry is now investigating gay and lesbian newsgroups. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Chat? Bollocks, more like.
by Rod Begbie 12 Mar '98

12 Mar '98

<hrmph> I discovered too late that my chat software didn't allow me to post my questions, so I never got to ask them to the band before the free-for-all. For the record, here was the list I'd wrote: Q: If all the Mr. Men got into a fight, who do you think would win? Q: If you were a super-hero, what were your super-powers be? Q: To the males: Esther Rantzen or Anne Diamond? Q: Who's best? - Gary, Robbie, Mark, Howard or Jason? Q: Your home is burning down... what do you try to save? Q: When was the last time you all fell out? Q: If a soap opera was made about the band -what would it be called? Q: If you bumped into Steven Wells in the street, what would you do? Well, *I* thought they were good. <sigh> Maybe next time. Rod. Rod Begbie @ http://www.begbie.com | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | The small girl smiles, one eyelid flickers, | She whips a pistol from her knickers. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Sinister: Sound-alikes
by Keith Watson 12 Mar '98

12 Mar '98

>Re the comments about the likelihood of being the only person to think >"Sleep the Clock Around" sounds like a Stereolab song and david's >response about B&S sound like B&S. It is somewhat strange to take >exception to people commenting on one band sounding like another >because it is a pretty harmless and occasionally even helpful activity. We >all pick up little bits of the tunes we love in unexpected places. I was >quite surprised to see Stereolab mentioned as being one of the groups >influenced by Suicide in the Guardian, for example. 'if You're Feeling >Sinister' the song, not the whole album, sounds like Love Is In the Air at >least the bass does. Now I happen to think IYFS is far and away the >better song, in fact LIINA is tosh, but I can still hear the similarity. Indeed occassionally little things jump out at you and you think it sounds like something else, often other people can't see it mind you. Sleep the Clock Around I don't think sounds much like Stereolab, it's too good for a start, but I can see where the guy is coming from, the repetitive bit. On the other hand I don't find it difficult to see the Suicide influence on Stereolab, that and Kraftwerk and several other German bands - having said that i haven't bought a Stereolab record since 1993, and I hardly listened to it then either. Some B+S songs I think do sound a bit like others but often it surprises me the number of them that just don't. Personally I find the Nick Drake comparison pretty shallow and simply based on their voices being vaguely similar, same goes for Love, not really like Love at all, except Dog on Wheels. Mayfly I think sounds like "Pleasant Valley Sunday", but I'll bet no-one else thinks that. Yours is no disgrace, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: I'm Crying
by McDougal 12 Mar '98

12 Mar '98

Dear all, I have tried for one and a half hours, and I cannot access the Belle and Sebastian chat room. It is now 4 o'clock, and I am despairing. My favourite band in the whole wide world are at this moment in time talking to fellow fans, and I cannot. I loaded the Virgin software, went to the Virgin place at port 6667, or whatever it was, but I could find no room even remotely to do with Belle and Sebastian. I even went into many of the other chat rooms and asked if anyone knew were it was, interrupting intricate conversations, and cybersex rituals as I went. Sadness. Can someone please tell me what went wrong????? Did anyone else have this problem???? I must know why I have been denied such a privelege. Your disappointedly, < d o u g > --------------------------------------- .....nobody writes them like they used to so it may as well be me........ --------------------------------------- somebody give me some hope................ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Le Pastie
by Thaian N Ton 12 Mar '98

12 Mar '98

Hello Listies, i have finally waded through all the posts from the past week and have had a thought about Le Pastie .. . As I was singing it, maybe (thought i) what was meant was a *pastille*, instead of a pastie. then i'd guess it'd be like a mint/fruit drop which might make sense. anyway, maybe not. (a fruit drop of the bourgeois?) help me out francophiles? until later that post i, bravely before the dc wind go i... thaian (stinky monchichi) x ****************************** Pictures to the Wall by Langston Hughes Shall I tell you of my old, old dreams Lost at the earth's strange turnings, Some in the sea when the waves foamed high, Some in the garret candle's burnings? Shall I tell you of bitter, forgotten dreams-- You who are still so young, so young? You with your wide brown singing eyes And laughter at the tip of your tongue. Shall I tell you of weary, weary dreams-- You who have lost no dreams at all, Or shall I keep quiet and let turn My ugly pictures to the wall? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: a little list humor
by TonyK 12 Mar '98

12 Mar '98

Hope you all haven't seen this before, but it seemed frightfully appropriate...enjoy. Q: How many list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb? A: 1,331: 1 to change the light bulb and to post to the list that the light bulb has been changed. 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently. 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs. 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs. 53 to flame the spell checkers 156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list. 41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames. 109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please take this email exchange to alt.lite.bulb 203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, alt.spelling and alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs be stopped. 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts **are** relevant to this mail list. 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique, and what brands are faulty. 27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs 14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post corrected URLs. 3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to this list. 33 to summarize all posts to date, then quote them including all headers and footers, and then add "Me Too." 12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy. 19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three." 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ. 1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup. 47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was meant for, leave it here. 143 votes for alt.lite.bulb. 27 to post in HTML because they are using the IE or Netscape that had it turned on by default and are too clueless to look 48 to complain about the HTML posts 27 to post 'sorry I didn't realize it was on' -- in HTML 96 to complain about more HTML and post detailed instructions on how to change the setting 58 to mumble something about using a web browser to read mail 12 MIME posts with useless colors and bolds saying thanks for the help with the HTML mail 1 to post a GIF/JPG of the lightbulb hanging too close to their digital camera. 1 complaint from the guy using /usr/ucb/Mail who wants to know what the *@&(%$!@ has been going on 58 to complain about the binary post 74 to say they liked the binary and didn't mind it 1 post about how you can MAKE MONEY FAST!!!!! by selling lightbulbs and this report available for only $5. 1328 to reply to the list with the full spam attached and then put 'remove' at the end 3 to flame the other morons for replying to the spammer and CCing the list 1 from the list admin notifying that the list is looking for a bigger server to handle the load There have now been several followups: "How did I get on this list?" "How do I get off this list?" "REMOVE" "REMOVE UNSUB SIGNOFF REMOVE TAKE ME OFF THIS LIST" "unsubribe" [sic] "Morons, you have to send it to the majordomo address" "How am I supposed to know that?" ---------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: IRC chat log
by Honey 12 Mar '98

12 Mar '98

There's a log of the chat now online - follow the link from: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/#chat Mail me if anyone can't get to the WWW - I will put it up on the list's fileserver to retrieve via email. Thanks for everyone for taking part - it was chaotic and sometimes a little weird. But worth it I think - yeah? Honey xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Stereolab, cynicism
by Reid Dossinger 12 Mar '98

12 Mar '98

And I thought no one would pay attention! Okay, even though I'm just about dead from cynicism, let me just claify my Stereolab/Sleep the Clock Around comparison. The straight-ahead bass lines with the matching drums are practically Stereolab trademarks, not to mention the arrangement which has no verse or chorus and the repeated melody line. Plus, Sleep the Clock Around is (you have to admit) very unusual for a Belle and Sebastian song. Most of B&S's faster-paced songs have a soul or folk feel, but STCA has a total Stereolab feel, and is definitely the product of the 1990's, which ,again is pretty unusual for Belle and Sebastian. Believe it or not, I'm on David's side about thinking that Belle and Sebastian sound like Belle and Sebastian. I'm certainly not saying that B&S are Stereolab rip-offs or anything, but I don't think it's at all insulting to say that a band's song sounds like something else. Just about everything (well...everything melodic and catchy) is going to sound vaguely like something else, but that doesn't mean that it's not unique. Hmmm...speaking of vague... Apologies for being cynical. I was actually just sort of joking around (with the harshness at least) and, as we all know, it's pretty impossible to convey tone of voice in an email message. ~Reid, most likely the only person on this list into College Hoops. Go Heels! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Re: Elliot Smith + some B&S
by Tim Kelly 12 Mar '98

12 Mar '98

Gareth Sayeth: > can anyone tell me anything about Elliot Smith as featured on the Good Will > Hunting sound track i've never hear of him and neither has my local indie > record shop. what has he done before? any albums recomended? all information > greatly appreciated. Well, this has probably been covered by now, but Elliot Smith used to be in the Portland-based band Heatmeiser. From what I understand, he was not a primary songwriter in said band, which was more punk than Smith's solo stuff. Anyway, as Smith began to write more, he released several solo LPs (_Roman Candle_, _Elliot Smith_, and _Either/Or_, in order). The last 2 are on the Kill Rock Stars label. The first is somewhat harder to find, forget the name of the label just now. Mounting tension regarding Smith's growing prominence as a songwriter supposedly contributed to the break up of Heatmeiser in, I think, 1996. At first, Smith was thought to be a Lou Barlow clone, at least by fans of Barlow. Certainly, there are similaries between early Sebadoh/Sentridoh and Smith's work. Anyway, I don't hear people complaining much about that anymore. Smith's last two LPs are pretty highly regarded in American indie circles. The _Good Will Hunting_ sndtk contains 4-5 songs from _Either/Or_ and one new one, "Miss Misery", which has been nominated for an Academy Award. I heard Smith will be performing at the Awards, but don't quote me on that. Some B&S (as promised!)- Recently, a group of y'all (led by Clem, whose contributions I also enjoy on the GBV list) have been contending that the _Tigermilk_ version of "The State I Am In" in vastly superior to the _DOW_ version. I feel just the opposite. The subdued T-milk version slips under my radar, but every time I play the DOW version I yell "Goddamn! That's a great song." Then I go back to the T-milk version, thinking I must've missed something, but no. I just like the more fleshed out version better. So there. TimK ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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