June 1998 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: Fuck the jury
by Keith Watson 22 Jun '98

22 Jun '98

As Paul was saying we indeed had a good time singing songs in the Church - that was a strange experience. The longest day was ace too and it was great meeting JJ and the Blairs, whom I spent time with in Bar Miro (where we drank booze) and then the park watching Teenage Fanclub. The longest day reallly is totally great, a free concert, how top is that, it was beautiful too, the weather was lovely and everyone had a great time, I'm not even all that big a Teenage Fanclub fan, but I enjoyed it. We kept our eyes open for Dave, but we didn't see him, were you there Dave? Didn't see any of the other bands really so I can't comment on them. Also, I had an idea as to how the Luddites can deal with CD's. If you buy one 7" single (it doesn't have to be a good one) and slip it out of its sleeve and pop it on the record player *whilst* playing your cd player, after track one, jump up and turn the thing over, you can repeat until the CD is finished. Myself, the same as some others went and bought CD players cause they wanted their record collection to last the rest of their lives. I'd say that if anyone claims that records last a lifetime and don't deteriorate in quality massively then they're simply not playing them enough. It was actually Screamadelica that pushed most of the people I knew into buying a CD player cause it is I'd say almost perfect for CD and was one of the first albums as such, it's too much of a pain in the arse to turn the record over after every three tracks. Still, for all that there is another argument pro records, what I kind of miss is the defined difference between the first and second sides. I suppose for a glaringly obvious example David Bowie's Low, which is completely different on side one and side two, songs on side one and ambient stuff on side two (the record was originally going to be called New music for night and day) and this is kind of nice. Well that's my tuppence worth on the record debate. Cheers, Keith.

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RE: Sinister: Hurrah! (longish)
by Hopkins, Tim 22 Jun '98

22 Jun '98

If you don't want to read my views about the once-great P!O!P! group Hurrah!, then stop reading. But Adam asked about Hurrah!'s best stuff... Bit of a sad story, really. Sons of the (then) very depressed North-East of England, Hurrah signed to Kitchenware, home to such Geordie luminaries as The Kane Gang, The Daintees and Prefab Sprout (later, King Cathal Coughlan of course, but that's another issue). All of these bands had their moments, but Hurrah! were the ace in the pack, no doubt. The first four singles on Kitchenware, 'The Sun Shines Here'. 'Hip Hip', Who'd Have Thought' and 'Gloria' are all spankingly sparkling prime pop gems which no self respecting person of taste should find themselves without. (Almost all of these songs were collected on the mini LP 'Boxed'.) There were various trials and tribulations, they nearly signed to a major label a few times (as I remember). I believe that Hurrah!, like the Go Betweens, signed to UK Elektra (what an A&R dept *that* must have been), but UK Elektra went under and the bands found themselves dropped pretty much unceremoniously). Then...nothing, for what seemed like ages. Horrible tales of them having sold their guitars to pay for food. And a reappearance on Kitchenware through Arista Records (of all labels), all buffed up and mid Atlantic and classic rock iconography and bad leather jackets and (worst of all) coming over all proud of it, eschewing P!O!P! past and...oh god, I think their press even called the the Last Great Rock Band. It was horrible. That album, 'Tell God I'm Here', had lots of songs which had sounded brilliant live or in demo form, but which had been run through thr rocknroll mincer and come out sounding coompletely uninteresting. Not long after 'TGIH', Kevin Pearce, Hurrah!'s number one fan and most eloquent advocate, released a cassette-recorded (I think) LP of a live date they played when the still burned, 'Way Ahead' (Esurient Communications). Kevin swore he had permission from Kitchenware to release it. Kitchenware/Arista denied all knowledge. No doubt it got in the way of their carefully-constructed release schedule, their plot to take Hurrah! to the very to of the rock tree. Which really worked, didn't it? 'Tell God I'm Here' and the last LP, 'The Beautiful' (anything but...) are interesting for archival reasons, I reckon, textbook examples of how not to behave when signing to a major record label. I dunno, maybe they thought corporate rock was their only way of getting any sort of payday after years of being skint and making some of the best music anywhere. Whatever, they managed to alienate most of their old fans and failed to win many new ones. I sort of lose track here, there were singles and comebacks and this and that I guess, but it never really happened again. Too damn late. Creation's reissue arm, Rev-Ola, issued a CD, 'The Sound Of Philadelphia', which reflects how it was, when it *was*. Pretty much all the stuff from those first four singles, plus demos and radio sessions and stuff. If you're the sort of musical listener who wants their music vacuum-packed and CD-shiny, then perhaps this is the package for you. Otherwise, I'd recommend you start at the singles or an old copy of 'Boxed' (you can still find them for pennies if you search hard enough). The P!O!P! should shine through the crackles sure enough. and hey! If you don't like it then give it away or throw it out...you won't be burdened with the lifetime's commitment of having a CD. Sorry for boring you, if that bored you. But you can't say I didn't warn you. Apologies for any historical inaccuracies. Bye for now, Tim ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Somos todos conejitos felices que tararean . consonancias felices del conejito - no somos? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Vinyl suits Adrian...
by Hopkins, Tim 22 Jun '98

22 Jun '98

Jon G (allow me to be the first with the birthday congrats, by the way) said to Adrian: No no no no no. Vinyl is wonderful. It crackles pleasantly. It's not perfect, which is great - who'd want Superman as a friend? Jon, what you've failed to realise is that, before adolescence, all of Adrian's friends were characters in comic books: he liked to look at the pictures, but didn't understand the words. While pubescing, he moved on to a new group of friends, all characters in television programmes. When it came to finding a sexual partner, however, Adie returned to printed matter. He likes CDs because they're easier to wipe clean. Still smarting from Adrian's Roland Browning remark, tim ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Somos todos conejitos felices que tararean . consonancias felices del conejito - no somos? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: London Picnic on Sunday!!! :)
by Katrina ＠ Jeepster 22 Jun '98

22 Jun '98

Hi everyone, (sorry about my message to the list a minute ago ... david has problems with the shop(a)jeepster.co.uk address at the moment and i thought i was affected as well ... seems like i'm ok, but please try not to use the "shop" address until tuesday, so he can fix it ... taaaa ... ) anyhow, reason for mailing, is to remind you all of the PICNIC in London this Sunday, 21st June. here's the info off the website http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/sinister.htm ----------------------------------------------------------------------- LONDON PICNIC SUNDAY 21st June @ 2PM Who's welcome?: We can never stress this enough, simply put everyone is welcome, without exception at all. Transport: We're meeting at 2pm outside Highbury & Islington tube station which is on the Victoria Line and also on the BR line that loops North London (main interchanges are Green Park, Kings Cross, Euston and Finsbury Park). You can also get there by catching a bus, call London Transport on 0181 777 1234 for details of buses. Location: The picnic itself will take place on Highbury Fields behind the 'garage' venue, if you arrive late or don't want to meet us at the tube station you can get to the fields by crossing the main round and walking beside the bank down the small road where you'll see the field area, the field may be obscrured by the childrens swimming pool (amid some bushes), but we'll be on the other side of that under a tree, if the weather is fine we'll be there till dusk. Events/Games: connect 4, twister, croquet, soccer, rounders/baseball, climbing trees and lamp-posts, drinking copious amounts of alcohol, playing on the swings and see saw, listening to music, possibly making a film, silly teenage games like "stuck in the mud", etc. We encourage people to bring along games and activities, especially if loads of people can participate in them. What to bring? well apart from yourself in a fine mood and with a sense of humour we'd recommend a larger item of food for the communal pile (things like pringles & dips, sausage rolls, a salad, quiche, you know the stuff) and some alcohol. At the last picnic our communal pile of food covered a large blanket, it really makes it feel like a feast and adds to the atmosphere. For those that are not travelling too far could you also bring board games, footballs, etc. We'll try to have a stereo (courtesy of Susannah or Trousers), but please don't bring a ton of tapes as we won't have time to play them! If it pishes down? well then you'd find everyone in the pub beside the tube station, you simply come out of the station and turn right and walk into the pub! Updates: On the day you can phone 0181 560 1815 after 11am for updates. It's just an ansaphone, but will let you know of any changes, and if it's raining, it should let you know where we'll be. Problems or questions? then mail david at d.kitchen(a)virgin.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- We'll see you there! cheers, Katrina. -- ******************************************************************** jeepster recordings ltd. - a-and-r(a)jeepster.co.uk 217 canalot, 222 kensal road, london, w10 5bn ph - 0181 964 9432, fax - 0181 964 8600 http://www.jeepster.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Somos todos conejitos felices que tararean . consonancias felices del conejito - no somos? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: steamy bathroom
by blink＠inexpress.net 22 Jun '98

22 Jun '98

>Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 03:18:44 -0400 >From: brad <parachute(a)earthlink.net> >Subject: Sinister: sassafras > >sassafras(sp?) is a root. i think candy by that taste would probably be >wrong in more ways than one. it does smell good, though. i got my first >ever girlfriend in first grade by letting her smell my root. > >sassafras that is. i knew you'd know! can i come to you when i have questions that need to be answered? ok then i am right,in the olden days they had sassafrass candy,because roots were cheap and plentifull and if it was a good harvest sassafrass for everyone...i'm just spelling with with an extra s for extra sassy-ness. i am liking all these stories about scary people phoning in and complaining,a few years back this one stranger guy used to always prank phone call me,well i don't know if it's really a 'prank' but every 5 minutes,'genny oh gennny gen i am the giant toad coming to squishhh you!' and then he just got more evil...but back then i didn't have call display,and now i do,and i'm more clever,but he hasn't called back... i don't like phones,so i always get my brother to deal with it..my friends yell at me because of it but i think it's funny,he just talks like a senile man and hangs up or sings some songs like 'old grey mare she ain't what she used to be,ain't what she used to be ain't what she used to be' or that phoque arctique song. i think it's great fathers can like Belle and Sebastian,but if i made a B&S tape for my dad he wouldn't listen to it,but when he was younger he listened to the moody blues...my mother likes them though,but i think she's just trying to read too much into the lyrics,she thinks everythings about steamy bathrooms and sailors. Here's to all the birthday's of people..Matt,I never knew your birthday date! But here's a Happy Happy Happy (but late one) but no-one tells me their birthday so how am i to know? any august babies here? love, genevieve :) Gargoyle (my cat) has been missing for 3 days,i hope she comes back soon... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Somos todos conejitos felices que tararean . consonancias felices del conejito - no somos? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Drugs
by Chris 22 Jun '98

22 Jun '98

tore. Went to see Drugstore last night. They ruled, but that wee Isobel (Isabelle? Isobelle?) bird has plainly lost her mables. marbles. Sorry. C. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Somos todos conejitos felices que tararean . consonancias felices del conejito - no somos? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Sinister: KPMG
by jon g. 22 Jun '98

22 Jun '98

-----Original Message----- From: Adrian Evans <aevans(a)env-dept.devon-cc.gov.uk> To: 'Sinister' <sinister-digest(a)majordomo.net> Date: 22 June 1998 11:34 Subject: Sinister: KPMG >The Duke, Roland Browning, probably Keith and many others have been harping on...sorry have written about circular bits of plastic, black >in colour of the species Vinylus Seveninchus.... >What is this ? A convention of Luddites R Us ? >Sorry to be yet again THE most offensive person on the list (Thanks Meester Miller I like this one and challenge anyone to disprove it), but >in an age of hurry hurry chips n' curry convenience and high-quality sounding stuff (note my technical knowledge and I obviously exclude >IYFS from this cos my CD sounds like its been dubbed off the radio and medium wave at that) can we possibly have any affections and >any use for vinyl other than for playing an extremely dangerous version of the game we know as frisbee ? No no no no no. Vinyl is wonderful. It crackles pleasantly. It's not perfect, which is great - who'd want Superman as a friend? Anyway, the record player is the musical instrument that everyone knows how to play - at least that's what I read on one of my old sleeves. It's my Mum's birthday today and I bet no-one has sent her an email. But, maybe if someone told us it was their birthday, then we could send them a birthday greeting. If you don't tell us, how do we know? Anyway, mine is on July 18th, when I shall be turning 16. How thrilling. So that you all remember, I'll put it in my signature file. OK? What a dastardly plot. I bought some new corduroy flares at the weekend and they almost very nearly cover my feet. Chris Geddes had better watch out. I would have liked to have seen B&S in the church, except I wouldn't sing because I am a newly converted buddhist. Honest. We used to sing He's Got The Whole World In His Hands at primary school. yay. He's got you and me brother, in his hands He's got you and me sister, in his hands He's got you and me brother, in his hands He's got the whole world in his hands! B&S content: let's start a wish list for the new album. Here's mine: * A wonderful story * A 13 minute glockenspiel solo That's all I want. And am I going to get it? tara jon g. jon.g(a)btinternet.com - http://surf.to/jongandbethey birthday: 18th July, every year in fact ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Somos todos conejitos felices que tararean . consonancias felices del conejito - no somos? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Nick Drake
by Mark Iles 22 Jun '98

22 Jun '98

Did anyone else hear the Nick Drake documentary on Radio 2 on Saturday? I haven't heard much by him before (one song) and was struck by how similar his voice is to Stuart Murdoch's. Apart from that, I didn't think they're music was that similar - ND's seems more wistful and abstract, while SM's is more down to earth, albeit quite poetic, and tends to be a bit more pop-like (does that make sense). Anyway, it was a good documentary and they played some really nice songs, especially River Man, which made me (as the person they interviewed afterwards suggested) stop what I was doing, as everything seemed somehow suspended in time. I'm very tempted to buy an album by him now... Mark ___________________________________________________________________________ Mark Iles, Tel: +44 (0113) 2065042 Imperial Cancer Research Fund, Fax: +44 (0113) 2340183 Genetic Epidemiology Laboratory, Ashley Wing, Email: iles(a)boreas.leeds.icnet.uk St James's University Hospital, Beckett Street, Leeds, LS9 7TF U.K. ____________________________________________________________________________ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Somos todos conejitos felices que tararean . consonancias felices del conejito - no somos? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: KPMG
by Adrian Evans 22 Jun '98

22 Jun '98

Katrina wrote : >what do you lot think of #1.99 cd singles and 99p 7"'s? it'd be nice >to know what the punters are prepared to pay? I don't think it matters whether there are 1,2,3 or 4 tracks on B&S singles/eps or whether they were £1.99 or £4.99..I don't think there are many people around here who wouldn't buy them whatever. However, if you can get away with hidden tracks then you should plonk one maybe two on the end and leave a space on the inlay card, let us know the song names, lyrics etc via the list and we'll hand-write them on. I didn't get where I am today without watching Blue Peter. The Duke, Roland Browning, probably Keith and many others have been harping on...sorry have written about circular bits of plastic, black in colour of the species Vinylus Seveninchus.... What is this ? A convention of Luddites R Us ? Sorry to be yet again THE most offensive person on the list (Thanks Meester Miller I like this one and challenge anyone to disprove it), but in an age of hurry hurry chips n' curry convenience and high-quality sounding stuff (note my technical knowledge and I obviously exclude IYFS from this cos my CD sounds like its been dubbed off the radio and medium wave at that) can we possibly have any affections and any use for vinyl other than for playing an extremely dangerous version of the game we know as frisbee ? I am typing this with my nose. Adrian. (with copious snot on his return-carriage). ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Somos todos conejitos felices que tararean . consonancias felices del conejito - no somos? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: B&S Cassock Action
by Honey 22 Jun '98

22 Jun '98

Well no-one's mailed yet so I will. Belle and Sebastian rocked the house on Saturday to the sounds of "He's Got The Whole World In His Hands". We also heard forthcoming LP tracks like "Morning Has Broken" and "Seek Ye First The Kingdom Of God". I swear. A 45 minute B&S concert, the mother of all warm-up gigs, and I'm typing this now wondering, did it really happen, or is someone going to laugh at me for dreaming it all up after some hallucinogenic toast? I suspect that's why no-one else has mailed too - everyone's afraid it was a bizarre dream. All the band were there, apart from Stuart David who rumor has it was at his niece's birthday party, so it was a real rock n roll day. Chris duetted with Stuart on a hesitant but very sweet version of The Byrds "Turn Turn Turn" (note the Ecclesiastical link). Stuart mentioned afterwards that someone behind me looked sort of embarrassed clapping along the The Whole World - poor show. I actually saw someone writing down the "set list" (come on, own up if you're on the list :). My thanks also to the nice lady who took me to the church toilet before the concert began. You don't get THAT kind of service at your average indie dive. I actually wanted her to hold my hand and she nearly did but I lost my bottle at the last minute. honey xxx P.S. The new Looper single has "Spaceboy Dream #3" on the B side - Stuart David doing his talkie business over the B&S instrumental that was recorded in the set from which the new LP will be taken - I don't actually know if it will be on the new LP. I haven't heard it yet but I'll be digging out my poorly record deck tonight. Will let you all know if you're interested. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Somos todos conejitos felices que tararean . consonancias felices del conejito - no somos? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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