March 1999 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: Sand, sea and Bowlie..
by Aileen Hammond 25 Mar '99

25 Mar '99

Hi, Some more Bowlie: I was wondering, does anyone know what day and time the bands play?? I am hoping that B&S donŽt play on the Sunday..They are headlining the festival and I think it is likely that they play on Sunday... I have to leave the festival to catch a plane in the afternoon. B&S are the main reason why IŽm going..So please if anyone has heard any rumours or anything please tell me. Thanks. I am sorry for my whining posts lately, I have just been worrying so much about this festival and gone through so much trouble to organize things to go.. Anyway, my Easter holidays start tomorrow then I have no school for 11 days :) But plenty of work to do though. IŽll stop counting fishes now.. Giita XXX Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: mountain kids?
by Thomas Sather 25 Mar '99

25 Mar '99

I was wondering if there were any sinisterites in the denver/boulder area. I was thinking that a picnic of some sort in the mountains with good food, good music, and playful dancing in an aspen forest would be quite nice. Email me if anyone is interested. tom Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: time out article/etc.
by Arigreen23＠aol.com 25 Mar '99

25 Mar '99

wow, is the band really this "big" now in britain? here in the US I don't hear that much about them as it seems is being said there, and then the writer compared it to the Nirvana phenomenon...also it was mentioned that Isobel got sick in New York? I thought it was at Philadelphia they cancelled? was she sick twice? on another non- b & s note, I went to the elliott smith show in Philly last night (hi julia!), it was quite great...we actually got to speak with janet weiss (of sleater-kinney) for a few moments in between bands, but I forgot to mention the bowlie weekender...she was very nice though... bye now... ari +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: and here i am, grinning like an idiot
by Kerry Lannert 25 Mar '99

25 Mar '99

a few months ago i made a belle and sebbie patch of the two dancing kids and put it on my backpack. today when i was walking home from class two girls passed behind me and i heard one say to the other "she has a belle and sebastian patch!" actually, she kinda whispered it and the other girl didn't hear her very well or something and she said it again. in retrospect i guess i should have turned around and kissed her or something, but i just smiled like an idiot and walked on. i mean, it wasn't so much that someone here likes b&s (because i already knew there are a decent number of fans here), but that she saw the patch and recognized it and felt the need to tell the person she was with. tee hee. -kerry http://hamp.hampshire.edu/~kwl96 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Morley mauled, Bangs banged up
by Michael Jones 25 Mar '99

25 Mar '99

Hello you, Peej Milla, in a post I somehow missed at the time, bellowed: > I would love to see Duke strut his stuff in that pub, it'll be great. > The Good Book, formerly known as "Young and Foolish" has an Amazon UK > sales ranking of 65,460!!! Which is one hell of a lot of sales. Unless > it means something else. This spurred me to continue my personal quest to eke out morsels of POP-rich data from the vast coal-face of the Wibbly Wobbly Web, thereby avoiding work and providing fellow Sinisteroonies with a tasty info snack. In short, I discovered from the Amazon UK site than the Duke is pounding other rock-crit wannabes, dead or alive, into the dust with his fruity treatise. Lester Bangs' "Psychotic Reactions" is flailing around at #91,316, Greil Marcus' "In The Fascist Bathroom" is in the toilet at #113,000+ and Simon Reynolds' "Blissed Out" is *passed* out beyond the top 150 thousand. It's almost painful to report that Paul Morley's "Definitive Story of Punk" is 80,000 places below even Reynolds and Kevin Pearce's "Something Beginning With O" appears to have sold an appropriately round number of copies. So, the Dukester is holding up very nicely approximately mid-way between the hardback edition of Margaret Atwood's "Alias Grace" (I'm currently not reading that) and Jacques Derrida's "Aporias (Meridian: Cross Aesthetics)" - a work which poses the question, "My death - is it possible ?". Come round my house with your Gauloises and your off-the-cuff Heidegger again, pal, and you'll soon find out. Ta ta, Mike. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Sun and plane tickets...
by Aileen Hammond 25 Mar '99

25 Mar '99

Hi there bellboys&girls, The summer is near :) The sun is shining the birds are..and it is STILL snowing (Arrgh!)(in Iceland) The day started wonderfully..On my way to school I was listening to The Milk on my Walkman, when I arrived at school(at 8 in the morning) someone had put on TBWTAS on the stereo!(we have loudspeakers in the student areas) All around school you could the sweet, happy music of B&S really loud. It was WONDERFUL :) That put a smile on my face.. The sun melted and it started snowing.. More Bowlie trouble: I canŽt get a plane ticket to London for that weekend!!!! What am I going to do?? I even tried t see if there were any passenger ships going to England, but no... I am seeking other options, a plane ticket to anywhere in Britain.. Do you know if there are flights to Scotland or Whales from Iceland? Oh dear..a month to go and no plane ticket :( Well... Take care! Giita Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Time Out Article
by Pete Ramsdale 25 Mar '99

25 Mar '99

For those of you that haven't seen it, here's the article on Belle and Sebastian from Time Out this week. It's all relevant background, and tries to explain why the writer likes B&S, although personally, I feel it comes nowhere even close to explaining the reasons why I do. Anyway, It's a half decent read...... Band on the Run --------------- When fey Scottish indie-popsters Belle and Sebastian won Best Newcomer at the Brits, a shout rang out across London Arena: Who are they? It was a question that amused the band's legions of devoted fans. But just how simple is the answer? (Report - Peter Paphides) It happens once every few years in pop. An unforseen event divides people into two camps - those who expected it, and those who are left scratching their heads. You'd have to rewind five years to the death of Kurt Cobain to pin-point last time it happened. While ITN reported his suicide seven stories into the news, the pop-literate kids grieved, and grunge eventually gave way to Britpop. It's what pop thrives on, this marking-out of territory. And it happened again on Febuary 23rd this year, when a bunch of Glaswegian Orange Juice fans called Belle and Sebastian pipped Steps to the Brit award for Best British Newcomer. No matter that 'The Boy With The Arab Strap' was the octet's third album, and that Fatboy Slim pointedly proclaimed never to have heard of them - less still that Tamara Beckwith felt 'betrayed' by the decision. Such reactions merely re-enforced those battle lines. Steps' supremo Pete Waterman took defeat especially hard. His call for an investigation was turned down by Radio 1, who had organised the phone vote. His ire didn't fall on completely deaf ears, though. In the programme notes to '200 Troubled Teenagers' - a recent Belle and Sebastian night held at the New Cross Paradise Bar - fans were asked to vote for their favourite B&S songs; 'We've invited Pete Waterman to oversee procedures and make sure everything is fair.' It's no coincidence that the last band to attract such intense adulation from such a marginal section of the pop electorate were The Smiths. Belle and Sebastian fans don't look too different to the fey young fops who turned up to Smiths shows with flowers in pockets. Both bands, too, boast songwriters who seemed to incubate in isolation. In the case of Morrissey, no-one had heard his lyrics until the mythical day Johnny Marr knocked on his door and subsequently teased out a whole interior world set amid the post-war estates that Morrissey had patrolled as a youth. The emergence of Belle and Sebastian's Stuart Murdoch as a songwriter came as a similar surprise to those who knew him. 'Stuart was a popular character in Glasgow,' says Duglas Stewart, producer of a forthcoming B&S documentary and singer with BMX Bandits, 'but no-one knew he wrote songs until about four years ago when he just got up and performed three songs at a club put on by (cult indie icons) The Pastels.' 'They were called Rhode Island then,' reaclls Mark Jones, co-owner of the band's record label, jeepster. 'This demo came to my attention and I was blown away. I played it to a friend at Geffen Records, and he sent it to Seymour Stein (president of Sire in America, and the man who signed Madonna). Within 24 hours of receiving it, he was making plans to come over. It was at that point that I sensed how much impact this might make.' Manhattan Murdoch Mystery ------------------------- In January 1996, Murdoch stood in a friend's bedroom and played songs like 'The State I'm In' and 'String Bean Jean' to talent scouts from 25 record companies. 'It was amazing,' laughs Jones, 'to see subsidiaries of the same labels squabbling for the band's signature. Most groups would have been flattered by the attention, but I think the band felt that the record industry was a rip-off. For Stuart, choosing a label was a case of damage limitation. At least we were able to offer a 50/50 royalty split.' Belle and Sebastian chose Jeepster, but not before the fledgeling label was given a taste of the single-mindedness they would have to get used to. The band's drummer, Richard Colburn, was attending a music industry course at Stow College in Glasgow, for which the students were required to 'sign' a band and put their record out on their own label. It was for this project that Belle and Sebastian formed. 'I was left in a strange position,' reflects Jones. 'Stuart gave me his pledge, but wouldn't sign for another eight months, after they'd recorded 'Tigermilk' for this course. When the day finally approached, I phoned him and said, "Are you excited about signing with Jeepster tomorrow?" And he replied, "Oh, we already did it today, with a local lawyer." I was like, "Well, cheers for telling me!"' With all 1,000 copies of 'Tigermilk' sold out, London got it's first taste of Belle and Sebastian in November 1996 when they arrived to promote the release of their second album, 'If You're Feeling Sinister'. According to the band's publicist, Chris Stone, 'The Borderline show was one of those gigs when you know you're watching history being made.' The buzz was already deafening: the Charlie Brown piano patter of 'Seeing Other People', and the schoolyard sexual politics of 'Stars of Track and Field' were already stoking the curiosity of fans. At this point it seemed inevitable that Murdoch's slender frame would soon be gracing the cover of every music magazine in Britain. What no one banked on was the fact that he wouldn't want any of it. To this day, no group photos exist. In the absence of any willingness to entertain media intrigue, a view has gathered ground that Belle and Sebastian are contemptuous of anyone outside their immediate circle. Much of this can be attributed to their legendary shambolic 1997 shows. At the Union Chapel, one changeover between songs took so long that guitarist Stevie Jackson steppen in with an acoustic 'Like a Rolling Stone'. In New York they left it till the support band came off to announce that they were cancelling, citing the illness of Stuart's ex-girlfriend, multi-instrumentalist Isobel Campbell, as the reason. The impression given during this perion was clearly not lost on Jackson, who issued a statement conceding that 'right now, we are a shambles, but.... we could never be deliberately contemptuous of an audience'. 'I was at the New York show,' says Gail O'Hara, whose fanzine Chickfactor inspired Jackson's eponymous song, 'and it was unfortunate, but as a band, they are incredibly protective of each other. If things aren't perfect, they won't play. It's born of perfectionism, not rudeness.' And yet the suggestion won't go away. Perhaps Belle and Sebastian are perpetually doomed to rub folk up the wrong way. At last years Shepherd's Bush Empire show, they took to the stage phenomenally late - to a mixture of boos and cheers. As the noise died down, someone shouted 'You'd better be fucking good', only to be heckled down by a cluster of devotees. What ensued was comical: Belle and Sebastian attempting to play their songs while opposing factions within the audience traded abuse. A certain parallel might amuse the man who wrote 'Like Dylan in the Movies': the last time such intra-audience tension divided followers from doubters was Dylan's first electric tour. Belle Epoque ------------ 'There is this perception problem,' agrees Jones, 'and sometimes I get exasperated when, say, Radiohead or Pulp invite them on their world tour, or when they turn down 'Later' because they can't decide what song to do. But it's because, live, they're doing something different. It has its flipside, though - for instance, their refusal to release singles off albums. As people, they're anything but contemptuous. Stevie used to work with aids patients; Isobel used to teach disabled children with her cello; and Stuart's just a sweetheart. Even at the beginning, when I offered to buy them train tickets, they said, "No, we'd rather hitch." And you have to respect that.' Where to unravel the contradictions, then? 'I don't think there are any,' points out one insider on the Glasgow music scene. 'The media should let them be. Stuart's never done anything to court stardom or it's paraphernalia. He's even held on to his old job as a janitor in the local church. The only bands he ever wanted to emulate were The Pastels and Felt, and that happened ages ago. He's in Uncharted territory.' It's a view echoed by Duglas. 'Most of us can get starry-eyed by celebrity. But Stuart would much rather talk about the new railings they've just got for the town hall.' Perhaps he saw all this coming. On one early track, 'This is Just a Modern Rock Song', Murdoch sings, 'I could tell you what I'm thinking / But it never seems to do you good...... I'm only lucid when I'm writing songs.' Tellingly, it's one of the few lyrics that relinquishes the role of a spectator, 'keeping an eye on the weather and the passer-by in case one of them ought to have a song written about them' (a quote from the band's first, self-written press release). For all the parallels between Murdoch and Morrissey, there's a crucial difference. Morrissey bemoans being an outsider; Murdoch relishes it. 'I remember this one gig in 1997,' begins our Glasgow source, 'at which Belle and Sebastian were headlining. They were already quite big by this point, but Stuart just sat there in the corner just observing and writing. His songs came from anonimity. Why should he want to sacrifice it?' Why, indeed, when this band have managed to negotiate such a position of power for themselves? Even the Manic Street Preachers - for many, a model of integrity - seem obliged to divide their time between magazine covers, award ceremonies and endless tours, and all for the standard royalty percentage. Would their sales hold up, though, if they simply withdrew? The exciting thing about Belle and Sebastian is that no one before them has come so far while refusing so much - bar none. Seymour Stein wanted them, but Seymour Stein can't have them. The NME would love to claim them as one of their bands, but they can't have them either. Over in New Cross, the bearded boys and lank-haired girls seem to have claimed them as their own. Who would begrudge them? ----------------------------||------------------------------- Life is full of regrets, and I've had a few, as Frank Sinatra once sang, before hiccuping loudly and falling over sideways. Pete Ramsdale - peter.ramsdale(a)wdr.com Phone: 0171 568 3836 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: I wanna drown in cold water
by Blake E. Hamilton 25 Mar '99

25 Mar '99

For those who do care-- My friend who lives next door, my recent B&S convert, confessed today to having a crush on Isobel too. So now that we're both smitten we wrap ourselves up tightly in our rooms and giggle sweetly at pictures of her on the internet. Oh, how we only wish there were more. Oh I do think I'm blushing now. And my mum wants me to buy her IYFS for her b-day. Oh how happy I am! On a somber note, I saw that I'm not on the list crush listee thing. But hey, I'm over it. As soon as the weeping subsides, that is. lovingly from across the pond, blake ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ "I am not Jesus, though I have the same initials." - Jarvis Cocker +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: If I was only famous, well then!
by Jygsaw18＠aol.com 25 Mar '99

25 Mar '99

dear sinister "the internet is better than any sort of pretense of a life" diary: I've come to the conclusion that I need to somehow become famous in this forum. There's almost a thousand of us, maybe more if Mister Waterman has brought defectors with him from the Steps camp.. I won't settle for being a face in the crowd. I've noticed that you have to be extreme in some fashion to make a splash in this particular pond. I'd be extremely energetic and cheerful, but I think that Lesleyjo Miller has that end covered. Perhaps I should be wise and witty.. or perhaps Tag and Honey do that well enough. I could just be odd and flamboyantly irreverant and mention rude things and naughty words, only Sister Disco does it better, and I hate competition. I tried being the quietest one here, but no-one seemed to notice. so perhaps I should be the most mediocre person here.. I think that's a good start. If I get any more flashes of wisdom, I'll let you know. Meanwhile, in token somewhat related to belle and sebastian content, whoever said that snow patrol sounded like pearl jam.. eh, if you meant bad pearl jam, then yes. I think they have one good song, and we wouldn't want to disparage that tune. i think by saying "pearl jam" you meant "crunchy grunge gee-tar rock.." if everyone here is sufficiently sick of this letter by now(cos I know I am) then I'll stop yes? goood dave* +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: edinburgh delights!
by Louise 25 Mar '99

25 Mar '99

hello! i've been in edinburgh for the last week and managed to see snow patrol and salako. snow patrol are appalling - they sound like pearl jam! however, salako were absolutely fantastic! can't wait to see them again at camber sands. i also got to meet richard from b&s who was very friendly. and on scotland today news the infamous grosvenor cafe was shown, with the manager giving his response to the gm food thing! cool! i was glad to get back home though as i missed my looper album! cheerio! louise +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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