April 1999 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: definition of "pop" for collectors website
by Heather Marie Propes 29 Apr '99

29 Apr '99

(If you have alreay seen this message, then I apologize. I thought there was something wrong with the email address I used originally) Hi all, I'm trying to write a short entry on the "pop" subculture for a "record-collecting lingo" dictionary at http://www.collectorsuniverse.com/. I would like to know, what are the various sub-genres of "pop" (i.e., britpop, indiepop, tweepop) and what defines each subgenre and distinguishes it from the rest? Also, which "pop" bands, albums, artifacts, etc (aside from Tigermilk) are the most collectible? If anyone could steer me in the right direction, I'd be most apprecicative. Later, I may be writing an article on the same, so if you help me out, I'll use your name. Of course, it may end up just living on my hard disc, but at any rate, your name will still be on it. Best, http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop Heather Marie Propes asbuch(a)midway.uchicago.edu +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Bowlie Ink Polaroids (Or 'How I learned to stop worrying and love anal sex')
by Nick Dastoor 29 Apr '99

29 Apr '99

I'm joining all this a bit late, as I've been off work till today. People have been talking about me. I liked the way Arantxa put my first name in CAPITALS. She was one of nine people I kissed at the weekend, but before her boyfriend hits me it wasn't one of the four that I kissed on the lips. I like this Sinister Slut game. Some Ink Polaroids: This one looks like it was taken in a very authentic English pub. It depicts a painfully thin boy grinning and shaking his hips in a suggestive manner at a lascivious-looking girl in glasses. There are several seated onlookers. He may be performing for money. Looming in the background, unbeknownst to boy, is a group of disapproving looking people who look like they know the skinny boy but NOT LIKE THIS. I call this one 'When Sinister and real-world friends collide'. This is one of those crazy 'I'm taking a picture of you whilst you take one of me' photos. Except I only had this ink polaroid camera so it's a bit different. It's taken on lovely secluded spot on the dunes, but nothing rude is going on or anything - there are lots of people about, sitting on blankets, chatting away happily and drawing faces in the sand. Anyway, the pretty girl with ice blonde hair with the real polaroid camera is smiling at me. Behind her sits another ice-blonde queen who is also pretty. I think my picture is better than hers because I haven't got ice blonde hair and I'm not as pretty. And anyway, I don't think she's got the hang of the light-dark control, so hers is a bit over-exposed. Very odd this one. I must have been taken outdoors in middle of the night, and it really tests the powers of the flash. At first all you can make out is the moon and several red-eyed faces looking startled by the photographer. But what's that looming behind them? Why it looks for all the world like a man with a horse's head emerging from the sea. Another reason why ink polaroids are best: you can get away with taking them in concert halls. This one's during 'If You're Feeling Sinister'. It's taken from a great position, only one row from the front and dead centre. The band look good. Except Straun - he needs to do something about his hair. All eyes are on Stevie, who is grinning like an idiot, clearly enjoying the adulation that his fantastic steel-guitaresque playing is receiving. Mick's smiling too, obviously pleased with his mastery of the opening guitar chords. Taken a few moments later, but this time from a reverse angle - I'm holding the camera out and pointing it at me. And none of the security staff can do a thing about it. I've got tears in my eyes. Behind me are a group of people I don't know. They're not crying, so anyone looking at the photo who didn't know what was going on might think they're the ones who made me cry, which isn't true, although I wish they would let me let my feet have their own space on the floor. Near the bar, 30 minutes afterwards. I don't know who took this one for me, but I'm glad they did. I'm looking happier than I've looked all weekend. I'm kissing an super-cute girl goodbye until later. Except there was no later. SPECIAL THANKS TO: Rachel, for starting the whole 'nick's the cutest boy on the sinister list' rumour. Susannah, for failing to going along with Rachel's attempts to set us up. Andy Dean, for sensibly pointing out that she would eat me alive. Trousers, for perpetuating the 'nick's the cutest boy on the sinister list' rumour. And for paying me 80p to kiss him, as well as contributing the 'Snog Leonard' fund. Chris Leonard, for insisting on no tongues. Kevan, Mark, Alisa, Alix, Mark, Vicky and Alasdair for putting up with me waking up your chalet two nights in a row and still finding it in your heart to let me play french cricket with you. Laurel, for her one-woman Isobel Campbell bombing campaign and for saying that I dance like I have no bones. Which I think was a good thing. Keith, for wanking me off. Katrina, for breezing in on Saturday morning to spoil David's 'Ooh, I can't tell you who the mystery guests are but they're Scottish and have a new album out and they were in The Face' game by saying 'It's Mogwai'. Tim Hopkins imposter, for being a drunken oaf and putting up with Michael ra-ing on about Exeter City. Tag, for giving me the horn. I've lost mine - do you know how I could get another? Mike, for being steady. Giita and her friend (sorry - there was no Eastenders mnemonic to help me) for being those lovely Icelandic girls on the beach. I've never met an Icelandic girl I don't like, so maybe I'm not the best person to judge. But my flatmate Michael thought you were lovely too. Joss, for putting up with me misunderstanding your name twice and thinking that you reminded me of a nice version of that annoying bloke off Moviedrome (not that I told you about the second bit). And for joining in a Flaming Lips gushing session. Risso, for being generally great and not taking it badly when you let me tell your whole long-winded Alex Ferguson / Arsene Wenger joke only for me to say at the end 'Yeah, I've heard that one before' like a little twerp. Paul and Linda, for proving they exist. Sorry I missed out on your drunken Sunday night laptop dancing, I mean laptop emailing. The other nickie, for being in the foreground of my last ink polaroid. I can't believe I didn't recognise you. Write to me! And... Arantxa and Jordi and Rory and Pam and FluffySarah and everyone else. You know who you are. Which is just as well, as I don't know who you are. Nick xxxxx P.S. I don't think anyone has mentioned that according to Steve Lamacq, Radio 1 *will* be broadcasting the B&S set at some point, but that the band want to hear the tapes first. So they can doctor them and make them sound better, or some ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Poor Jarvis indeed...
by Justin Williams 29 Apr '99

29 Apr '99

>In principle, I agree with everyone not going up to say hello, asking him inane questions >etc but as he was there not as a big celebrity but as a fan...I just >find it rude that everyone would gawk at him and snicker behind his >back etc. Poor Jarvis! Have I missed something? Did Jarvis make an arse out of himself in public or something of the sorts to deserve not saying hello? Is it because of the big head he tends to have? The fact that anyone would snicker at him just gets to me, I mean who do they think they are? Just because they are fans of an up and coming B&S shouldn't mean that they feel a disdain for established bands if that is indeed why they did it. I saw Pulp in Philadelphia awhile back and I had to swim through the magic in the air there. If someone would help explain to me these reactions to ol' Jarv I would appreciate it. Justin W Felonius Monk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: oooo, get me away from here, i'm still jealous...
by David Geraghty 29 Apr '99

29 Apr '99

I took off my blindfold and removed my ear plugs this morning, only for the first thing I see to be the NME, in all its resplendent Bowlie glory. I thought I was on the road to recovery, but this has just set me back by a good few weeks. All this talk of dancing in the rain, paddling in the sea, and of course, the perhaps now legendary mobile wanking device (can I get the blueprints...?) got me thinking, but then that wasn't really the reason I wrote this... I just wanted to say that while you all had 'fun' in a holiday camp, I wrote a marvellously interesting and witty essay on Madonna and her position in the film and music industry. And yes, I managed to get B&S into it, with my industrial strength essay shoehorn. The only problem was that my lecturer returned it to me today, marked and with a note about making up bands to prove points where only the facts will do. I went to speak to her and she asked me if I thought she was stupid, as she knew B&S was an old tv programme, and did I think I was funny? I found it all a little too surreal to argue, so didn't bother. I am getting a little disturbed though. The Mental Swathes have almost got me thrown out of Virgin and B&S are getting me in trouble with lecturers. Read next week for Looper got me arrested after framing me for fraud. or something. hope all the Bowlie in September/August rumours are true as my better half is still a tad, er, miffed about the miscommunication that resulted in our non attendance at this one. And I'm going to see Pavement and shes not.....whoops.... byebye david x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: The best subject-lifter in the world
by Arantxa Sanz 29 Apr '99

29 Apr '99

Hey,more tweekender to add to sinister : I don't doubt Alasdair's footballistic skills,and I would strong recommend his signing up by Real Madrid instead of that curly-haired lad coming down from Ansfield Road,but apart from being a master in the ancient art of feint,he is also pretty clever in stealing meaty subjects,as I had planned long ago to title my compulsory essay (4000 words?)about B.W. '2 and 1/2 days in love with you',but he was faster!!! A bit of the common stuff : Cornelius was astonishing,Sleater Kinney a necessary refreshing bit of girlie-rough,I waited to see how Ladybug transistor were before purchasing some of their lovely merchandising and then it was too late but they were lovely,and Belle were simply wonderful! Someone approached to mournful Jarvis with some silly comment just to make conversation and I live with her(...),Chris G and Sarah M are my favourite ones in the collection,Sussex cream tea to blame because of missing Looper,sand in all the sandwiches.All the sinisterines we met were so nice,Fluffy who finally honoured me with some words in Spanish for her fans,Mark,who explained to this ignorant foreigner what French cricket was,Bridget 'Susannah' Jones who told me I resembled Juliette Binoche,I need your phone number to push up my ego-rate when I am down!,Matthew and Brian,Ailsa who wisely prevented me to waste my time seeing Cinema,Laurel,Rachel,NICK Dastoor,two smiling blokes who accepted our chocolate brownies in the beach-picnic,and Tim Hopkins' impersonator.I am afraid this latter is a dangerous man...he even told me he was from Sidmouth,one of those details that make me to trust him completely.I feel now as one of those old ladies who are some teenage psychokiller's neighbours and tell they cannot believe what went wrong,he was such a polite little boy,he always cut the lawn in time and did his homework.I must be so gullible... I lost the plot (and three badges at least!) xxxx Arantxa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Ignoramomus, and the end of The Verve
by Tim Hopkins 29 Apr '99

29 Apr '99

I have a dream this morning. My dream is that every time there is a Bowlie, another dreadful overblown alt.rock group realises the truth and splits up forever. It certainly worked with the (un)lamentable Verve. I wonder who's next? Now then, back on the subject of Momus... (sorry it's been a while, but I've been, uh, otherwise engaged) Pulpbot wrote: >You friggin James Taylors, Now, that'll be rhyming slang for something, I assume, but I can't figure out what. Norman Mailers? Hay balers? Salty sailors? >I found his sub- >cabaret wurblings hard to fathom at first, and perhaps a good melody >isn't always atop his to-do list, but as I once told someone else on >this list, Momus' verbal jousts are a bit meatier than, say, Nick >Drake references. Oh, I agree with you that Momus is certainly 'meatier' (is that a recommendation?) than old Drakey, but then again, that's only like saying you prefer solid turds to runny ones. I always thought Nick Drake was a mewling ninny, and I still do. I must say that it is *enormously* important to me that the music I listen to is 'meaty'. What sort of meat is Momus like? Veal? Old mutton? Rancid pork? Glad that you've learned to understand Momus, though, cos the more records of his other people buy, the less I have to flick past. Momus's clever-clever 'verbal jousts' are masturbation every bit as damnable as the fret-wankery of a Steve Vai. Momus, as an artist, could find no use for Keith and Chris's machine. What I don't understand is that I've never heard anyone defend Momus on musical grounds: people (in my limited experience) tend to accept that his music's second-rate but insist that his lyrics are The Business. Which always makes me think 'buy a book and get on with listening to some decent music'. Perhaps I'm missing the point. >I find it hard to imagine that Stuart Murdoch hasn't been influenced >by Momus. Oh. Sorry, I was wrong. If *Stuart* likes Momus, then Momus must be fabulous. Forgive me for my folly... My guess is that most members of B&S have been influenced by music that I wouldn't want to touch with someone else's very long, spectacularly shitty bargepole. I've never seen a bargepole. Are they very, very long? >Shades of the birth of Athena, yes? I wouldn't know about that, but my mate's big sister used to have a picture of an airbrushed lady in shades. The picture was bought from Athena. The branch in Exeter High Street. The lady had rainbow eyeshadow and was sucking Coca Cola through a straw. Is that the sort of thing you mean? Incidentally, I don't think that what I'm saying about Momus (or Lickle Nicky Drakey) is *true* in any sense outside the fact that I think it. I'm certainly not trying to suggest that there's anything wrong with liking or disliking anything at all. I know that some of the people reading this love some (maybe all) of the artistes I've mentioned, and I really hope that me expressing my dislike of them doesn't offend you. I'm not sure why it would, but I understand that it might. The trouble is, it's such fun to talk about it. If I were being truthful and balanced, I'd tell you that I haven't heard a Momus record in several years, having been subjected to many in the years before I became rude enough to say 'take that shite off'. Maybe he's got better. But it's probably more fun just to slag him off. love and peace, maaaan, Tim ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: losing it?
by Seamus Harte 29 Apr '99

29 Apr '99

Hi to everyone and no one all at the same time. Yeah I'm talking about our Stuart m, and the Olympia gig, he really did it, there was a satisfying crunch and you could see stu kinda realising 'ah ,that's what it sounds like' , and then maybe a touch of guilt, as he ponderously kicked it in to the corner. before that in the middle of one of the songs he just kicked the microphone stand down , with a kind of big forward step. and Isobel appeared to walk off , but you can never tell these things , does she normally play on 'The boy with the arab strap'? and I can reveil that that new Isobel Campbell song is call 'Wossil - --' (exactly) I can't remember the second word sorry I saw it in one of the set lists that were thrown out to the audience at the end. just so you all know mick was wearing that shirt again. Snowpatrol were great, The singer reminds me somehow of jon spencer. Anyone? Oh yeah ,I'm one of the fools that laid out £16 for a tee-shirt but in saying that that is in irish money , but it still seems a lot. thats me for another few months, before I go I better say hi to everyone I met there, and cheer up Isobel. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: bowlie
by Marianne Bratlie 29 Apr '99

29 Apr '99

Looks like my mail posted yesterday never reached the list, so I`ll try once more,.. I`we returned from the bowlie festival, and I`ve just got to tell somebody who can understand what I`m so exited about, what a great time I`ve had.(most of my friends aren`t that exited about B&S) The Belle gig was amazing, I`ve never seen them before (live in Norway) -so this was something I had been looking forward to for a long time.. Loved it when Monica sang Lazy lane painter Jane, during the gig I felt like a fourten year old teenager, couldn`t sing along, was afraid I`d start to cry.. Well, I`ve noticed some of you talking about the drug seeking sweeds, funny--we met them as well. But I never spoke to any sinisters though, maybe that`s because I missed the beach party sunday. Hope I will get another chance.I`m sure you`re all nice people. Thank you, "clean up stage guy" for giving me a plecter and broken drum stick, and to kind band member for taking the time talking with us,,,have to run now, I`m at the library, only got 15 minutes, people are in que... Cheers, hope you all had a great time. Marianne Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: A century of fey queers
by paul.allen＠sap-ag.de 29 Apr '99

29 Apr '99

Bendy, bawdy, bowlie-bashing bastards! There are some things I love about Belle & Sebastian and others I do not. So it's a healthy relationship I guess. Still I'd never been able to understand this apparent obsession with calling them fey....eh? So, I looked in the dictionary: 1. Fated to die, doomed (chiefly Scot.) 2a. Able to see into the future, visionary b. Marked by an otherworldy air or attitude c. Crazy, touched 3a. Precious b. Unconventional, campy (?!) What do you think? (I like the 'morosely camp' thing) Paul. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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by Youn Jong Noh 29 Apr '99

29 Apr '99

oh blake you can't sulk because you're the larger than life personality on the list! i was going to make up a game (but it seemed pointless in light of all the bowlie posts), a guessing game, and the clues for blake would have been rupert everett (in another country but not my best friend's wedding) as to appearance (unknown but imagined), the fellow with the lisp in brideshead revisited as to manner, truman capote as to heritage (the congeniality and decadence of the south) - "so here's your chance to make me feel awkward" - no this message is an appeal to the stiff upper-lip Britishers to extend a welcoming hand - perhaps i'm the last person you'd want to have on your side ... So more entries (reply to me) ... hey, this isn't in the vein of list crushes ... 1, ferris bueller 2. thurston moore or lou reed 3. david watts 4. marcellis (sp?) in the secret agent 5. (wicked) anabella good-bye! youn oh wait, so don't let our youth go to waste is originally by jonathan richman - what is it on? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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