January 2000 - Sinister - missprint.org

Re: Sinister: So I said to Dean Moriatry "Lets hit the road"
by Michele Waggner 25 Jan '00

25 Jan '00

BrnToEnd says, > Why...oh why? is my life is dull and boring. It just consists of >School Work, listening to music, dreaming and thinking I'm the next Jack >Kerouac or John Lennon. Why can't I be On The Road with Dean Moriatry? or on >a bus with The Merry Pranksters? >but I really want to write a book that redfines the >beatnik-60s "american dream" books like On The Road because I am bored >bored >with my life and school isn't much good either. This made me think about the Beats, and what was happening then... and it made me think of today and things how they are, and why it looks like some periods of time are more "intense" or "exciting" than others. Then I thought, maybe we all just miss what's going on around us and if we just took a closer look, or looked from a different angle... So I got down a book and looked up what Jack Kerouac thought about his times and what happened (It's a good book, "Good Blonde & Others") Jack Kerouac wrote: "The Beat Generation, that was a vision... of a generation of crazy illuminated hipsters suddenly rising and roaming America, serious, curious, bumming and hitchhiking everywhere, ragged, beatific, beautiful in an ugly graceful new way ---... 'beat, meaning down and out but full of intense conviction." "We'd write stories about some strange beatific Negro hepcat saint with goatee hitchhiking across Iowa with taped-up horn bringing the secret message ... like a veritable Walter the Penniless leading an invisible First Crusade." "But as to the actual existance of a Beat Generation, chances are it was really just an idea in our minds. We'd stay up twenty-four hours drinking cup after cup of black coffee, playing record after record... talking madly about that holy new feeling out there in the streets....We had our mystic heroes and wrote, nay sung novels about them... celebrating the new "angels" of the American underground. In actuality there was only a handful of real hip swinging cats and what there was vanished mighty swiftly ... maybe the result of the universalization of television ... but the beat characters after 1950 vanished into jails and madhouses or were shamed into silent conformity." "suddenly... postwar youth emerged cool and beat, had picked up the gestures and the style; soon it was everywhere, the new look... bop arrangements that were once the secret ecstasy music of beat contemplatives began to appear in every pit... the bop visions became common property of the commerical, popular, cultural world... and the Beat Generation, though dead, was resurrected and justified. Even in this late stage of civilization when money is the only thing that really matters to everybody... all inspired and fervent and free of Bourgeois-Bohemian Materialism." "Beat doesn't mean tired, or bushed, so much as it means 'beato,' the Italian for beatific... like St. Francis, trying to love all life, trying to be utterly sincere... cultivating joy of heart. How can this be done in our mad modern world of mulitplicities and millions? By practicing a little solitude, going off by yourself one in a while... You may be withdrawn but you don't have to be mean about it... Beatness is ... a form of spontaneous affirmation. What kinda culture you gonna have with everybody's gray faces saying, "I don't think that's quite correct?" "My favorite beat buddies were all kind, good kids, eager, sincere ("Now lend me five minutes of your time and listen to every word I'm going to say!")... such tender concern! Such a pathetic human hope that all will be communicated and received, and all made well by this mysterious union of minds." "As to sex, why not? One... asked me if I thought sexual passion was messy, I said, "No, it's the gateway to paradise." I started thinking (it's so dangerous when I think, I know) that a lot of this reminded me of Sinister, sounded pretty damn "B&S." People getting so excited over their mystic Scottish "angels", and CREATING things because of it -- having the DRIVE to -- writing things: stories about people on buses, stories about lives, look at the Sinister Midnight Library, look at the "Things We Made" pages, look at Tigermilking and such things -- communicating, filling up mailboxes but still, "give me 5 minutes and let me TELL you..." Sinisterines writing, talking, flying across the ocean to meet and talk more... sharing music they seem to have in common... tweeness perhaps as the new beatness... maybe I overstate it, I tend to do that... and I am trapped in the house by snow, so indulge me a bit or just hit delete :) Back in the early days of Sinister (and I am NOT saying "good old days" here, really)... there was a feeling of something "happening," of a community in but outside the "modern world," sort of that spontaneous affirmation, like YES this is GREAT!! (sic:) Now maybe we've gotten a bit like the "postwar" thing, maybe a bit of commercialism (box set jab)(when have jeepster ever steered us wrong, eh?) is creeping in... but that is not to say it HAS to be that way, a paler second-generation sort of style. People are STILL being completely captured by the music, the feelings it engenders... not just putting it on like this season's newest frock. I suppose what I'm saying is, things that happen NOW can indeed be as intense or exciting as other things we've seen in the past... we just have to look at what we have NOW and make it ours, put it on, not like a fashion, but like Life. Sometimes maybe it's hard to see the forest for the trees. Yeah, I know a lot of people here think Kerouac et al were shit... I'm not holding him or his times up as a paragon, just pointing out that in any given space in time there is maybe something to drive creation and excitement, it all HASN'T been done already. It would be a bit anachronistic to be a 50's Beat in 2000, and precious few opportunities to jump on boxcars and go across the country burning like an angelheaded hipster. Not that it's bad to want to, it would be great (sic) to. But you can look around, be captured and ... ummm... sit in your room like a cardie-wearing saddoe nibbling biscuits and cultivating joy, which you communicate in electrons or some other modern medium. Or save your pennies and fly to something like Bowlie, the modern version of setting off on a tramp steamer to see the smoky cafes of the jazz age. Just different forms of the same pilgrimage. Being in school rather than on the road, but doing something there, creating, being in a play... creating yourself according to how you ARE, according to what captures you. Different true, but the same as well... driven by that intensity, that feeling of "something happening" that you are indeed a part of if you give yourself the chance to see it. We might think, "Oh, I've just written some crap about some guy on a bus, or Stuart's silver trousers" but really, isn't it the same as Kerouac writing about some wild jazzman with a taped-up horn?" just 50 years later? Sinister has been that all along, and is, and can be. Ok, I've talked enough shit for one day. This wasn't meant as a criticism of anyone or anything... just the opposite really. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE LIST ON THE LIST, HONESTLY!!! There's a lot of intensity to the lives here, the very act of "give me 5 minutes" when a mail is written is part of the whole thing whether you like that particular mail or not. Ok, not "every" one :) I just think maybe sometimes all of us have to take a look at what we actually ARE doing, and see that it might not be as barren as we think. --michele, ignorant once again +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)missprint.org". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)missprint.org". WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: heh heh, he said "todger"!
by Mark Casarotto 25 Jan '00

25 Jan '00

Obviously I wouldn't normally post twice in a day, but JESUS! Someone's put a todger on the body parts page!* I knew the site was just a front for a ring of desperate and depraved sickos. I suppose you could say that about sinister in general, but really. Whenever I've made requests lately, loads have people have been really helpful, so cheers to the lot of you. You'll also be pleased to know that the willennium is now old hat - it's officially Y!2!Kate! on the Kate Rusby website at http://www.purerecords.demon.co.uk/index.htm <http://www.purerecords.demon.co.uk/index.htm> . You can also find a download of "Cobbler's Daughter", a jolly romp from her second album. Check it out, all you unbelievers. Except for the alarming number of you who like heavy metal. Though she does have the hair. See you all on Friday? The Po Caff's not very big, but there are only 1,173 of us, and we are wee... Mark :-) * sorry if this has laready been noted, I'm on the digest, etc. etc. ******************************************************************* The contents of this e mail from HIT Entertainment PLC are confidential and intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy or further distribute this e mail; please notify us by telephone on 020 7224 1717, and delete the e mail from your computer. This e mail has been checked by our anti-virus system before leaving us; we accept no responsibility for the e mail and any attachments once they leave us. www.hitentertainment.com www.bobthebuilder.org ******************************************************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)missprint.org". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)missprint.org". WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: A plea....
by Jason Andreas 25 Jan '00

25 Jan '00

Hi. I'm sorry to abuse the list like this, but I'm just wondering if any of you have bee/go to Bennington College in Vermont? Could you give me some info on what it's like and stuff? remember - to *my* addy - jasonandreas(a)breathemail.net Also, has anyone on the list from Britain (esp. Scotland, due to us having a different education system to England & Wales) went to America to attend college? What was it like? How did you sort out money? Were your fees paid for you by someone (as in the govt)? I'm really really sorry to abuse the list like this, but I can think of no better place to ask. Remember, send any reply to me, not the list. Thanks in advance. --Jason "And in the rapture and the charm Came the tranquil and the calm" ICQ: 45821217 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)missprint.org". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)missprint.org". WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Dollimore and Christy
by Erica MacArthur 25 Jan '00

25 Jan '00

You lot! SINISTER - YOUR SLIP IS SHOWING Clothes. Brilliant, arent they? Well, I certainly think so. Knickers, shirts, trousers, ties....are YOU in fashion? are you one of those hipcats with a short fringe that make me hiss like an angry cat? fear not. I want everything. Pictures, that is - myself and honeydoll are cooking up plans. If 5 of you send me a picture of your favourite item of clothing we're opening a gallery. Don't spoil my fun - get snapping, and mail them to: erica.macarthur(a)btinternet.com TOP FIVE GAMES IN THE SWEET SHOP This weeks top five ways to pass the time on a saturday: 1) Jenga with cigarette packets 2) Drawing moustaches on back issues of Hello! magazine 3) Hiding under the counter until someone comes right up to it and jump out on them causing them to drop their things and look silly 4) Pull random child's hair while parent is looking at cards 5) Flirt with the postman I think that's all. Oh, I got a crush vote. Hurrah! wheels within wheels.. Erica x The House of Scarlet in dark glasses: http://www.chickpages.com/rants/golighty/index.html +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)missprint.org". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)missprint.org". WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: So I said to Dean Moriatry "Lets hit the road"
by BrnToEnd＠aol.com 25 Jan '00

25 Jan '00

Hello fellow sinners, Why...oh why? is my life is dull and boring. It just consists of School Work, listening to music, dreaming and thinking I'm the next Jack Kerouac or John Lennon. Why can't I be On The Road with Dean Moriatry? or on a bus with The Merry Pranksters? Well for one...this generation is boring and just wants to smoke grass and listen to scary music(korn, Limp bizkit etc...) I'm no philospher nor am I Hunter S. Thompson but I really want to write a book that redfines the beatnik-60s "american dream" books like On The Road because I am bored bored with my life and school isn't much good either. One good thing though I'll be staring in Two plays this semester(Go me), The Sea Gull by chekhov and The dinning room by A.R. err whats his name again? None the less this will probaly add to atleast some EXCITMENT TO MY LIFE. but..... I'll probaly just end up being a starving actor doinbg rolls just for food and to pay the rent in my older years. Right now I can dream I knew Tenessee Williams or Jack Kerouac or I started the Manic Street Preachers. Then...who knows I'll be just a humble athiest reading Niezche I suppose. Just so I dont become a science teacher if so then stop me and kill me. I dont want to be an evil dude. I suppose my greatest fear is becoming a science teacher, Doctor or laywer. I'd rather read how horrible the world is in a book then see it. Well I wanted this e-mail bigger but lucky for you I have to go so bye bye and keep your chin up, -Damon P.S. I hate thoese random porno invites on AOL +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)missprint.org". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)missprint.org". WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Disko Magic
by Corpora Arenacea 25 Jan '00

25 Jan '00

In case any of y'all have CD burners. All four EP's, combined, clock in at 74:01. Perfect for one CD. That fact alone makes the box set a total gyp in my book. I was at the Magnetic Fields, too, in DC. Twice in one day. And they said men don't have multiple orgasms. Shit. They were awesome. At the first show, the instore, they even played a request I made, for "Old Orchard Beach". The song always sounded different when I sang it, because my voice is deep, too, and I was dying to hear Stephin sing it, and he did. Sort of like the live VU album where Lou Reed sings the Nico songs. Damn. A totally different song, it sounded like. Plus, I was sitting on the floor basically right in the middle of the band. And then they went and guestlisted my friends who were underage, just because we asked. I must've brushed up against a lamp somewhere. A foot of snow just fell outside. I'd better start figuring out where I'm going to sleep tonight. -Eran P.S. it's scary how they actually found the cure for depression, isn't it? What's unreal is how well it works. I have friends who used to be on the brink who talk about Zoloft like it's their best friend. All I can say is that, to anyone who's had it, there's nothing beautiful at all about depression. It sucks. I'd be happy to see it wiped off the earth. Sad is sad, but depression is death. The little girls understand. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)missprint.org". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)missprint.org". WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Shake hands, Genocide
by Mr Smiley 25 Jan '00

25 Jan '00

Bonjour, Sorry if I offended to people of Sheffield in my last post. I'm sure many of you are in fact lovely. But then again, if you have a monstrous hangover and some git like me calls you at 9:30 in the morning to ask if you've had the Sheff. Gazette/Journal delivered, you might turn ugly. People often sound really excited when they answer the phone, as if they're expecting a call from the secret lover. I've been making a hobby of predicting the moment the crushing disappointment hits them. "Oh...", they say. I think the boxed set is a truly fab idea, because I'm a relatively new fan of a band called B&S and I need some more songs to sate my cravings, and I've only got the albums. None of the shops in my personal hell (known as Worksop) stock...well singles of any description actually, except chart ones. Which are shit. Unless they're by the Manics. Box sets are shameless cash ins, but most things are, it's just a matter of convenience for me. Be nice and easy to get one nice big box from HMV, rather than scrabbling through piles of (unsorted) records in some dingy independent store. I hope nobody's going to think the less of me now. By the way, I should point out that I really love indie records stores, especially dingy ones. HMV is too clean for my liking, but I arrive in Sheffield on a Saturday at 9:50, and work starts at 10, so scrabbling around looking for singles is not an option. I've just realised, I really don't know what I'm talking about. I agree with Mr. Gilmer about beauty. I don't know any ugly people. At first I thought a few in my 6th form were, shall we say, aesthetically challenged, but now I know them (or her rather) I know she's a really lovely person. If you don't know what I'm talking about there's a quote bit beneath these words: >Look, there are very, and I mean very few ugly people in the world. >I really believe that and not just spouting twee boy rubbish. Some people >are more glamorous than others, and that's something different. I've been behind with my sinisters. Been away you see, I'm reading through my 13 digests now, and I'm on the second and I've wrote this much in response to it. So I'll stop here. Au Revoir, Mr "I only know two French phrases really" Smiley +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)missprint.org". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)missprint.org". WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: you wont understand a fucking word of this
by jarkko frantila 25 Jan '00

25 Jan '00

Only god knows what I think about when I'm angry or bored: When I'm in love, I share it to everyone. Well there. I'm getting sick. My legs are all wobbly, my head hurts and these yellow dots have invided my eyes. No, it's not the sun. Flu is on it's way, I know it. I have a small spot on my lip: that's why I can tell. The man in the magazine was right: Only beautiful people get beautiful prides. God I'm tired. I don't know why: I slept from 6 p.m. to 10 p.m. last evening, got up, brushed my teeth and went back to sleep. I feel like a character from a Douglas Coupland book right now. Think too much, like they tend to do. And the funny thing is, people in Coupland books think thoughts no-one ever does in real life. But I'm thinking of them now. Oh well, maybe that's something that just happens. I also tend to feel like someone from a B&S- song every now and then. I think Darren Hayman from Hefner sings short stories, not songs. I wonder what all the people who look like penguins and listen to Bauhaus feel, living "in the darkness" all the time. Must be hard to see. Haha. Stupid people shouldn't breed. How the fuck can I feel this sleepy? Maybe I slept too much yesterday. Perhaps that's why my body aches so much, too. Someone mentioned a new matress in here. I sleep on a blank of wood, or so it seems. No wait, I didn't go to sleep right away, after I brushed my teeth. I watched this documentary about Lars Von Trier. It was subtitled in swedish, but I still understood everything he said in it. 11 years of studying swedish here in Finland didn't go to waste, it seems. Von Trier is one fucking genious. After his film Europa failed to win the main prize in Cannes in 1991 (Barton Fink won), what did he do? Went to pick up his prize for best direction and gave the jury the finger. Ace. The man obviously doesn't give a fuck. A bit like me. Haha. Hmm, not a completely wasted day. Wrote two gigreviews. Phoned up my boss and asked if he's got any cd's for me to review. Got two. Nice. Freelancing for a musicpaper is cool. I know I won't like 'em that much, but they look good on my shelf. I've got five books in there. I don't like to read. It's too slow. But what else do I have but time? Nothing, it seems: I'm at work and I've done nothing today. What a great way to get paid. @--->--- Jake tummy hurt 'cause too much coffee is never a good thing. Fuck. I'm sorry, someone. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)missprint.org". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)missprint.org". WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: pepsi but no shirley
by cbrown2＠mmm.com 25 Jan '00

25 Jan '00

Morning sinister chaps and chapesses as mentioned before today everyone seems to be out of the deep depression that pervaded the sinister air last week, (my there was a lot of ranting going on wasn't there, including me - sorry about that) that's good to see. I feel a lot better as I've decided to make a nice long journey over to Western Australia to see my new buddy who I like a lot (she's very lovely). Is there anything of a twee nature over there? On the subject of computers I remember being a 12 year old urchin going into town and going straight for the Spectrums and the Commodore 64s just so I could write that program that makes the screen fill up with row upon row of the same line (with me it was usually "chris is skill" or other such nonsense) ah happy innocent days, so innocent in fact that I was too scared ever to try and get into the girls school, unlike lucky old Mark (btw Mark, I thought Freddie Ljungberg reminded me of beaker from the muppets, lovely goal though) I went back up North this weekend so missed all the Track and Field shenanigans. Did anyone go from these parts? JC, your bike sounds like the coolest bike in the world, please tell me it has streamers coming out of the end of the handlebars and a lollypop stick rubbing against the spokes to make it sound like a motorbike. Anyroad I'm going to love you and leave you, you lovely people. Hugs and kisses Chris Song for the day:Into my arms - Nick Cave overused word of the day - lovely +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)missprint.org". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)missprint.org". WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: You're just a sleepy company/And that's allright
by Simon Aurell 25 Jan '00

25 Jan '00

Has whoever sent in the shoulder picture blabbed? If so I must have missed it, but if I knew, that's where I'd put my crush vote. Any people living in Sweden, preferably Gothenburg interested in a meet up/picnic or anything like that? Thanks to the person who posted about 3wk.com, it's mighty grand, I agree. You have made me happier. Simon xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)missprint.org". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)missprint.org". WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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