December 2000 - Sinister

Sinister: dry pasta is quick to prepare.
by amazing grace . . . . 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

Hey there, I haven't written in so long that I feel a bit nervous all over again. hmm. I guess deep breaths and imagining the people I'm worried by on the toilet would be my usual source of advice. Can't remeber where it came from, but I guess it always works, just because I have an infantile sense of humour and chortle at the word toilet. However, since it's hard to do that by creating a mental image by a person's e-mail or from whatever body part they've posted on the missprint site, a bashful smile will have to do the trick. Ash are supposed to be coming to my fair town on thursday. I don't like them very much at all, but will trot along for the novelty of it. The novelty being that Ilkley is more famed for it's medium sized hill of 'Ilkley Moor B'aht at' fame and Richard Whitely living here than for anything else. I had my photo taken with him when I was younger. But that was before he had achieved true cult status as the jovial mr countdown. Like indie snobs who were there at the first gig, with the limited edition first single, I feel I can claim 'I was a fan before he sold out, and his earlier work was so much less comercialised. Back then he did it for the words, now it's just money,money,money. I think belle and sebastian would do a very good version of 'Ilkley moor B'aht 'at'. It has that folky element along with a touch of gritty reality, as it delves into life after death, when, indeed, 'worms will come and eat thee up'. Moving stuff indeed. Mind you, the rest of the list may be unaware of the existence of the song. It's hard to tell whether it's a local song for local people or something embraced by a larger audience. If it's a nationwide thing I wonder if people realise they're singing about a medium sized hill boasting a rock which is supposedly shaped like a cow and a few burnt out cars. hmm. And I was meant to be seeing At The Drive In tonight, but I misjudged ticket sales. And they all disappeared. I have the vague feeling I should have raised some enthusiasm and should have attempted dodgy dealings with a tout. Only I'm not very good at the old haggling-lark. I guess touts would probably have a better name for it than the haggling lark. Something more gutteral and that conveyed the message that anything under £25 would be a ridiculous price for any of their rather splendid tickets. Again, rather splendid is arguably not the appropriate vocabulary. I'll stop there, having only had a little content, but then I like reading ramblings a lot, and the band aren't doing much content themselves so maybe I'm forgive. Ooh, and the christmas presents idea sounds lovely. i don't usually like christmas, apart from the lights, but the gift swapping sounds very festive. cheerio for now, Grace ---------------------------------------------------------------------- And she spent the rest of the day separating the bits from the marmalade, or, if you prefer, the marmalade from the bits. _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: fa la la la LA la LA la LAAAA!!
by Joan of Dark 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

......Deck the halls with bows of holly! sinister chorus: Fa la la LA la la la LA!! la ........Tis the season to be jolly, LA LA fa la la la la la la ........... *~*~*c*l*a*p*~*~*~*~*c*l*a*p*~*~*~*c*l*a*p*~*~*~* Mum Honey wipes a tear away from her eyes..... All her little kids run to her and hug her after their recital, she pats them on their heads and shoulders and kisses them..... Hello my lovely Spinisters!!!!! I am so happy to announce that the Sinister Christmas Presents Echange is going Grrrr8.....All the usual suspects have already joined in, from the hardened ,addicted sinisters to some of our newest of the new members....lurkers and abusers....everybody is in......I want to thank you all........ This is the last call to the people on the list that for some reason may not have heard of the Presents Exchange that is going on or have someohow overlooked it.........In this case, anyone who might be interested in taking part should either consult the archives under the "christmas presents exchange" phrase or email me and I will tell him/her the details....... There's just one more day until the deadline is over and I'm really sorry that it was just 4 days but everything will have to be sorted out and all the addresses will have to be sent to our Sinister Santas by Friday, as I won't have access to a computer after that for three days....... A few more details here..... a) If the present requires some personal details of the receiver so as to be completed and any of the persons that are making something would like to ask for some details so as to personalise their gift and make it perfect, just drop me a line and I will be the one to ask her ..i.e. what her bust size is or whether he prefers peach to strawberry lip gloss.......... b) There has been a misunderstanding .Many of the newest memebrs or persons that don't post oftenly thought that this exchange was only for the frequent pos(t)ers and thus asked me whether they were allowed to take part......The answer is a big smiling YES/ JA/ OUI/ NAI/ SI/ KE/ HAI/ SIM/ AYE/ DA (thanks to #sinister : ) sorry people!! I was lagged!) .Everybody who is subsribed to sinister is very VERY welcome!!!! We are getting sqeezy here, we have already started poking each other to make some room , so ...people come and lets all get cuddled up!!!But for god's sake keep your hands OFF the other people's private body parts......(speaking of which....... http://www.missprint.org/sinister/bodyparts/ This is the real spawn of SINister.....) That's all I guess......... Just to remind you that time is counting backwards from ...NOW! Love and frozen patterns on your window panes, Joanna PS: Thanks Kenjuggle for his linguistic advice..: ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Today....... Life's a different story today, Sad but yet not sad in a way, People never do stay the same.... Strangelove "Runaway Brothers" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Am I not your pint of stout? Drink me.
by Genevieve Wesley 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

Dear Sinister folk, The Holiday exchange sounds like a very warm-naked-under-the-silky-sheets-wrapped-in-a-pink-pashmina idea. I am sure we are all going to make some lovely presents. Last year I spent lots of money on people who said 'I'm getting you a Christmas present! You better get me one back!' Sigh sigh sigh...isn't the whole purpose of giving not expecting anything back? But this year, I am poor, so it doesn't matter anyways. Only special people are getting. One girl for sure is. In the hall she started reading me this Pablo Neruda poem "round woman's body, I ache for you" something like that. So we are exchanging some poetry books. But what book should I get her? That's why I like Sinister, little gifts, little is good. I'm going to make something, but I don't know what,(unlike most of this gifted organization I cannot sew or knit or crochet) but you will love it. I wish I had taken part in the auction now, I could have volunteered to do a Cabaret chair-dance, but you know I'd probably pay the people to LET me do it for them, I love so much! Maybe we should all chip in and buy Precious Honey a set of PEARL NECKLACES. Honey, didn't you know? Pearls are very in right now. Do you know this poem, something about What It Would Be Like To Make Love To Angels? I don't know if thats even the title, but it's the subject. I remember reading it a while ago, maybe on here, somewhere. Something about their little wings singeing? If you know it, please email me, it's driving me nuts. ok, that is all... teeth marks and a luscious mouth, genevieve _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: hello sinister list
by Anthony Saunders 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

this is my first post. since others are doing the same thing, delurking, i might as well join in the fun, while it's a little slow today at work. I'm felling a little emo so watch out... my name is anthony, as you may have guessed from my email addy, and I love B&S. This is vaguely an anomaly in my record collection, which is full of abrasive, harsh, difficult music (like merzbow and kid606), and a lot of appocalyptic metal. But i have a soft side too, and it includes B&S and my inability to look at a Totoro with out making goofy little "oh my, isn't that cute" noises. my favorite B&S records are TBWTAS and FYHCYWLAP... shockingly i can't get into If Your Feeling Sinister all that much, it's good, but not the mindblowing "i think i'm gonna cry" kind of good that TBWTAS and especially FYHCYWLAP overflow with. I tend to walk around the NYC subways singing "baaah bah-bah-baaah baaah bah-bah bah-bah baaah bah-bah bah-bah baaaah" to the tune of legal man. I am feeling old because I turn 24 in 3 weeks, and am very frustrated that i still live with my folks. And since my potential roommates just bowed out of moving out too, i may have to get a ridiculously expensive place by myself, or be doomed to continue comuting 2 hours each way to work every day. argh. i am single and kinda lonely, but figure it's better than still being with the girl i was dating, who was very nice and pretty, but had fundamentally different world views on somethings, making it hard for us to see eye to eye on some important things. Oh well. er, um, anyhow... that's enough for a first message i guess. meow to the cats on the list. :) nice to meet you, Anthony __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: A factory of makers
by Jeff Burke 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

Since I don't post that often I feel safe in wasting some time. I have to heartily thank ken for introducing me to redbull. This past sunday was the Newbury Comics Holiday party. Newbury comics despite it's name is a indie chain (yes, that's possible) of record stores in Massachusetts, Maine, NewHampshire, and Rhode ISland. Iworked there full time when I had just gotten out of school. Now I work there partime. Anyways. It's a raucous excuse to get heavily inebriated. Anyone who's worked retail will understand the need....As if excuse was needed. but prior to venturing to the soiree. I found myself at a friends flat (i'm not trying to be euro. it's just less letters to type then apartment) and at said flat, they were concocting (get yer mind back in the gutter LisaM.) Redbull and Vodka. I have to say. it was quite a heavenly little beverage. A little too sweet but it really neutalizes the vodka's bitterness but not effect. my oh my. quite a night ensued. What I remember of it. I may have even danced. at that really goes against my bad-ass indie-rawk self. so cheers to ken and i'd recommend redbull and vodka for those looking to mix a bit out of the ordinary. +++++alledged content+++++++ there was a girl at the party who was a dead ringer for isobel. yep. it wasn't her. She actually had a horrible braintree accent but she DID look like isobel. hope all is okay in your worlds. jb _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Put down your pen and leave your worries behind
by mh843＠bard.edu 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

Its almost the end of the semester. I'm terrible weighed down with papers and projects. But I'm not stressed out. I was sitting at my desk, listening to a little B&S. Like an academic angel, Stuarts voice sang to me, "put down your pen, leave your worried behind, then the moment will come, and the memory will shine." SO I threw down my books, grabbed my discman, and went for a walk...its was either that or a valium pill :). I ended up at an old mansion, that overlooks the hudson river. I just sat on the hill, with Sigur Ros playing, smoking a pink cigarette (I always color cordinate my smokes with my clothes), and I realized that I am happy. It wasn't just a fleeting moment, or induced by my fairytale. It was long term, haven't felt the bad burning in the chest, pit of the stomach feeling in longer than I can remember happiness. So I cried (it wasn't the usually cry that I have EVERY time I listen to Sigur) about being happy, and all the time I spent sad. And because I know that I will always either be in a time or happy or sad, and I don't mind. Because I like the rollercoster. So, I came home and wrote my parent (with a pink pen) to tell them that the semester is going well. And I wrote you (for my first time, thanks for being so nice) to tell you that I think that Sleep the Clock Around is a really smart song. *Martha* ----- End forwarded message ----- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Brier still rhymes with Fire
by Brier Random 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

.... but when i write it sometimes, and i get to b.r.i.e.... i want to stop there and be a cheese. But yes, it does rhyme with "liar" (honest it does!) Sorry to send you all into temporary phonetic confusion....... Gruyere +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Like my grandma always said, Why buy the cow when you can get the sex for free?
by Ozma . 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

Hello to the list. *FRESH MEAT INTRODUCTION IS SOON TO FOLLOW, BEWARE (and please give me a chance...)* After lurking in the nursery playing with the pretty shapes, I have finally decided it's time for me to say hello. I am from California, in the lovely US of A. Yes, amidst the election process here---I like to think we really aren't that bad. The constitution has gotten us this far...and it wasn't so long ago when California was this year's Florida anyhow. ahem. Not that I am that old, I enjoy spouting what my history professor tells me. A little disclaimer for you all by the way: I wear plaid and knee socks on a daily basis at my school. it's my reality. (a scary one at that) B&S CONTENT: I first became aware of this lovely group when a friend brought them to my attention early last year. And while I will never see her again, I love them dearly and in effect am reminded of her each time I take an earful of their tunes.(not the main reason, just a nice side effect) The first song I ever heard was "Judy and Her Dream of Horses". _____________________________________________________________________ so here I am. I've introduced myself. i FEAR you will all keep on posting without a response, so if you disappoint me by replying, I'll still be happy Call me Ozma. My favorite Monopoly piece is the iron (i felt sorry for it) and my second favorite Beatle is John Lennon. -ozma _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: to whom it may concern
by Josh Baze 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

party people-- greetings, ...again. it's been a while, a long while since i've poked around these premises. not that i really expect to be remembered. anyway... important things to say to sinister listees following my abscence: 1. BUY AUGIE MARCH RECORDS. this cannot be over emphasized. a truly remarkable four piece out of Australia. They are the most remarkable band I've heard in a long, long time. They just released their first full-length, Sunset Studies. listening to "sunset studies" over the weekend was undeniably the most profound album-listening experience of my life. i've just listened to my "sgt. peppers," "ziggy stardust," "the wall," "ok computer," etc, etc, etc. i was, and remain, completely blown away by what this band has been able to accomplish. augie march have, in 15 songs, if not ruined, seriously contaminated my enthusiasm for other contemporary pop bands that i harbor well publicized enthusiasm for. those bands simply won't be the same after having heard this album. i don't know how to describe it. the melodies are brilliant, wonderfully constructed. their beauty is remarkable, and simple, which belies the complicated instrumentations, timings, tunings, arrangements, etc. which make these songs and this album a monument to pop songwriting. the harmonies are as unexpected, complex and perfect as anything brian wilson has ever done. The vocals evoke a less jazz-improvizational, more sweet (if possible) Jeff Buckley. These songs are among the most atmospheric I've ever heard. Only Grant Lee Buffalo comes to mind as a band as capable of creating an authentic emotional atmosphere that you don't so much believe in as you are transported into. Everything about these songs is orignal and creative, but never simply for the sake of creativity. Every unusual--totally original-- choice they have made has only added to the overall strength of THE SONG, something unfortunately lacking in many contemporary pop groups. In my opinion, Augie Mar! ch have stepped absolutely into the foreground of pop songwriting, nearly if not completely peerless. "Sunset Studies" is a remarkable acheivement. So go buy it. Anyone who can back me up on this, step to the mike. 2. Didn't much care for "Fold Your Hands Child..." 3....but rediscovered Looper, especially "Dave the Moon Man." Also rediscovered Bowie's "Scary Monsters," The The (all of it), early REM, and the Jam. And never fell off my Gene, and Mason Jennings wagons. His new album is stunning, find it and buy it second. 4. Saw a bunch of crap movies and a couple of good ones, especially Dancer in the Dark. 5. Got screwed out of fall. I live in Kansas City, where fall is the most beautiful time of year. It went from being 80 to 40. I'm still pissed about it. 6. SWM in search of good mixed tapes, possible relationship. I'll be sure to return one, and offer my personal guarantee it will contain songs by Augie March, Grant Lee Buffalo, the Lucksmiths, The The, The Smiths, Moose, Hefner, Jeff Buckley and the late great Paul Robeson. Pop's my taste, i'd love to taste yours. Interested, email me at jbaze(a)beap.com 7. Anyone out there a fan of either Jim Daniels or Thomas Lux? 8. Top Ten Things I Can't Stop Listening To Lately: --Augie March, Sunset Studies --PJ Harvey, Stories from the City, Stories from the Sea --Gene, Rising For Sunset --Hefner, We Love The City --Bjork, Selmasongs --Grant Lee Phillips, Ladies Love Oracle --Mason Jennings, Birds Flying Away --Augie March, Waltz e.p. --Grant Lee Buffalo, Copperopolis --The The, Nakedself all these words, one scant mention of belle and sebastian. Hope all is well, cyber-friends and strangers. Be good. Josh +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Panic on the Streets of Umberleigh
by vibrosheep＠junglemail.net 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

Millyoo >Am I being smutty enough? No. >We can't really count on Adrian Evans anymore, because he's up to his neck in nappies. Yes you can, but you have to try harder these days to rouse any sort of response from me. You see Sinister has gone back into that Nothing on the Horizon meltdown sort of stage where spotty thirtysomethings with their withering penises and New Order back catalogues make needlessly offensive comments in order to keep people from.... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Sorry, anyway..smut. I've got terrible thrush and deliberately don't wash my hands in order to ward off the evils of hotdesking. >Congratulations, Adrian and his Kate. Hey Junior, behave yourself! Cheers me dear, fat chance of any sprog of mine behaving itself. Why, I shall be teaching the dear little girl how to shoplift* at Sainsburys and get away with it from the day she can walk. Adrian. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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