September 2001 - Sinister

Sinister: So farewell then, Peter Miller & Mistopher Christopher & Vancouver & Pernice Bros
by Martin_F_Conneely＠finance.gov.ie 28 Sep '01

28 Sep '01

SO FAREWELL THEN PETER MILLER I knew I shouldn't have gone away for the summer. My reading of the list was patchy and when my eyes were averted, PJ Miller apparently vanished. So, no more EDIT SEARCH for MILLER when it's safe to laugh aloud on reading the list. I was sure he would have been snapped up by some mag to do a musical agony aunt column ages ago - maybe he has. Enjoy the retirement anyway, Mr Miller and thanks for all the laughs. A small consolation is that Jenowl seems not to be in any way related to Mr Miller and continues to write. Since he is departing, or has departed, I presume that I'm not committing the sin of writing about the list. Well Mother Teresa told me that Cliff said it was okay. MISTOPHER CHRISTOPER Mistopher Christopher aka Chris Leonard used to be a joy to read too. He played in Dublin last weekend; doubtless B&S will be putting up MP3s of his gig for downloading. He was support for Joan of Arse's launching of their new LP. Joss who was on the list wonce plays with JOA. Postpone buying the Reindeers and buy JOA instead (coincidentally Reindeers were playing the same night in another Dublin venue). The LP is on a small label called Scientific Laboratories, which is not unrelated to the same Joss. I couldn't got to the gig because I wanted to drown some fish in air and the west of Ireland is a good place for that. But no fish were attracted to the worms. Maybe they were stressed with the falling water levels - we may be getting the kind of weather that the South of France used to get. Is it that kind of weather that makes the girls pout? And if it moves here will the French girls stop. VANCOUVER Global warming messed up my first visit to US/Canada too. I visited some of the B&S venues beforehand. For the first time since records began, it rained in San Fran on the 25th June, the only 25th of June I was there. I froze on the Pfeiffer Beach at Big Sur. But Western Canada hadn't had rain for 27 days and Vancouver was an amazing place. It struck me as being as opposite to Dublin as one can get - all the coffee shops and juice bars and bookshops and rollerblading and skateboarding and swimming and walking and bicyling. And hordes of people looking so energetic and healthy. I envy Robyn Fadden and any other Vancouverites on the list. Some native told us that V-ites are usually very disappointed when they visit other places. Well, maybe she meant Dublin and places like that because who could be disappointed on visiting Florence, Prague, Stockholm or Edinburgh. But re. Vancouver, I'd love to read stuff set there. Last night there was a small reference in a play called Tiny Dynamite. I also read a short story in The New Yorker by Alice Munro which was an excellent piece of writing. Also a lot about the Captain after whom V is so called, in Jonathan Raban's book. Any other stuff? Odd thing was that Vancouver was the first city where the skyscrapers were really a plus and looked so well and it seemed a good idea to keep lots of space clear by concentrating people in the skyscrapers. Now I'm not so sure. PERNICE BROTHERS I loved Stacey Dahling's piece on the Pernice Brothers, especially her lack of enthusiasm about Joe the man as opposed to Joe the musician. I've won tickets and tshirts and stuff for their Dublin gig tomorrow night, though I'd planned to go anyway. Except that all of them except Joe have fled back to the US. Maybe they are going to reform the Scud Mountain Boys behind his back. I hope he gets the lush sound though I don't know how he can on his own. I've heard too much stripped down stuff recently - I begin to think it's because the stripped down sounders are unable to do anything else. Overcome By Happiness the song is topclass, especially since it's about not being Overcome. If all else fails, I hope he puts on the CD in the background and sing over it. So now, Honey's helper, doesn't the above prove that a posting can be too too long. All the best and back to sleep for another 2 years. Which song refers to "rising at the crack of noon"? Martin C Senior Sinister Section [the F is against my will!!} This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. 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Sinister: Oi you!, Yeah you in the Sari.
by DansonHatcher＠aol.com 28 Sep '01

28 Sep '01

I really like travelling but think I can cross India off my map of 'places to visit'. Not 'cos there's anything wrong with India, just that since starting work on Monday I feel I've been there now. Strangly enough, being the only person in the place who doesen't speak fluent Punjabi is really fun, like if you get told to go and do something you don't really want to do, you simply make out you don't understand the sign language. This works really well so far 'cos a good 70% of the workforce are less than brill at English themselves. They have ways around this tho, you get a broom put in your hand and shown the area that needs sweeping. Sadly this is universally understood and the "me no understand Deli-slang" excuse is wearing thin. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------- This B&S film soundtrack. I saw a poster in a local Record shop (the one I can't remember the name of that's on main steet, Leicester, Maddie'd know) talking about "Belle & Sebastian's first foray into the movies"or something like that, but this poster looked quite old and though I can't remember what this latest film is called I'm sure it was not the same one. Now, I may just be showing my usual cluelessness regarding things I should know but do any of you know what film this is 'cos I'd love to know. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- Meanwhile back in Calcuta......... ..........My actual job title is 'Machine Setter', so I'll basically go round the factory keeping the machines in order. Which does little to decribe what I've been told to do so far, apparently because I'm "still in training", Yeah. Mind you, I get to *talk* to some very pretty young ladies and I am paid rather well. I can't complain too much. Until.. ...SATURDAY, just two days away. I'm going to London 'cos some loony has offered me a job, it's like the best job in the world. Cycle courier(ing) I watched this documentry about three years ago about these cycle couriers in New York, this must have had quite an effect on me as ever since I've wanted like mad to do It. Now remember, At about 11 o'clock Saturday morning I have my interview, so everyone must sit in a state of perfect concentration whilst crossing their fingers and wishing me luck and I do my bit, by offering BP flapjacks and looking fit enough Will's picys are reet good too, except the one of me where I look like a scarecrow with a stange Tony Blair style "hey people, trust me" grin. (it was rather chilly you see) Also I think, someone had a camera at the Manchester get together, It'd be really good to see those pictures too. Go on, Go on... (repeat to fade) As usual.. If you've read this FAR you're an absolute STAR. James.* * Soon to be renamed Pravin, married with a Hareem of three-wives-and-counting, often found cruising in his gold plated Nissan Sunny and making out that "the Queen is Indian!!" +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Unicorns and cannonballs,palaces and piers,trumpets,towers,tenements,wide oceans full of tears
by Dimitra 28 Sep '01

28 Sep '01

It seems I'll always post about the weather. Last night, or rather this morning, a Waterboys cd lulled me to sleep. I woke up in the early afternoon of the first real autumn day, which by now is nearly over. It was chilly, windy and bright, and, most of all, clear. It felt like a present: a change to something more beautiful. A day that inspires you, that asks to be the scenery to beautiful things. Looking for inspiration to a post, I came across this -in an almost magical way: 'A stolen kiss is an entire day spread before you, nothing to be done, save for what you make of it. A morning at a sidewalk cafe with a cup of coffee and a book. An afternoon on a bench in the sun musing and the smell of blooms. A late night at the discotheque, with the beat and the chemicals drowning away the worry. And the next day, you could do it all over again. Or, do something else. Countless variations to be made; a stolen kiss is a choice of how to get through the day.' What to do on a day that feels like a present...? This kind of weather has me wanting love more tangible, I quoted the Bright Eyes three weeks ago, and now I repeat, only far more intensely. It also made me want to lie on my bed and play myself records while watching the curtain float outside the window. Waterboys again. Jonathan David. Sixteen lovers lane. Write three different post outlines. Phone my best friend and run all the way to his house. Walk back half an our later singing Ask by the Smiths. But there's not much else I can do. I feel inspired, then I feel lonely for not having anyone to share this with. And all this unexploited creativity, it's starting to feel heavy and sad. And I can't help thinking how wonderful Scotland was and how wonderful the friends I made there are. And how most things I love and long for are there and I'm here. Of course, I can study -I have to study- but that's the only thing the weather makes me not feel like doing. I love learning, I was born curious, I'm always asking a thousand questions -but it's about things of importance, and it aims at understanding. It brings a deeper insight into things every time. But not school... that's just exams, with names and dates and facts, and a few opinions -but what's the point if you have to memorise them as well... school is bad for the soul. Even auntsadie knows that. Stacey Dahling said the other day: > in less than a week's time, I will be in London and a few days after that in > Edinburgh and Glasgow and Leeds and Sheffield and... I really can't wait. I > will be with other sinister people, which seems at the same time wonderful > and scary. When I did that, it didn't feel scary at all, it felt like the best thing in the world. > have you ever tried to explain the sinister phenomenon to someone? isn't it > difficult to describe what makes it special and ok and not scary and full of > perverts and strangers? we don't feel like strangers do we? why? it's so > weird. I can't understand why I feel the absolute need to spend lots of > money to go meet a bunch of near strangers. they don't feel like strangers > to me, they feel like friends. and the few sinisterines I have met have been > almost instant friends. what is it about this band that makes nearly all its > fans so gosh-darned compatible with each other? I thought that was brilliant. And it broke my heart. 'Gosh-darned compatible' -I don't even know exactly what that means. I know compatible though, so it makes sense. But Stacey, a sinisterine is not simply a fan. It might surprise some people sometimes (ie Will Salt in Dunfermline), but there are loads of non-sinister Belle and Sebastian fans. Who buys all these records and goes to the concerts? I'm sure Jonathan David sold more than 1500 copies, right? Not all Belle and Sebastian fans would read twelve posts a day about other fans lives, and enjoy it. And well probably not everyone out there does -but we do. A Sinisterine is a Belle and Sebastian fan with a more or less close relationship with their computer, and an interest in other fan's lives. I joined because I thought the posts would feel kind of like the songs. I think I'll just settle down with saying that... it has already been said, by Joan of Dark and repeated by Will, that "sometimes Belle and Sebastian feel like they've become a way of life". What I meant to say is that we live our lives inspired by them. Or at least look at them in ways inspired by them. > I've been thinking an awful lot about fate recently. it scares me, but is > also oddly comforting. I have begun to think that fate had a lot to do with > why I am sitting on a bed in a room in a brothel district in Athens, and > I've been feeling recently that I am ready to just resign myself to fate, > but that feels a little bit like giving up. Fate... I don't believe in fate as in what's going to happen being already decided... but as in things seeming meaningful, I do believe in that. Some things just seem to be the way they are for a reason. And some others, trips for example, just feel right -and they look after themselves. And that's when the best thing you can do is resign, but it doesn't feel like giving up, it feels like...like what Hefner sing: 'I don't mind since god is on my side'. > someone sinister also posed a > simple yet way-too-complex question to me recently: what do you want? and I > can't answer it! do I want people, places, a career, a future, freedom, > stability, stories to tell the kids, kids? why am I still restless? who do I > love? who loves me? who am I? > it's tough being human, isn't it? Of course. But I like to think it's rewarding too. That it will be even more. At some point. If I lived in a song, it would be a Waterboys one. 'And on that fine and fateful day/I will take thee in my hands/I will ride on that train,I will be the fisherman/with light in my head/you in my arms'. Love, and all the things that make you feel and care, Dimitra ps,credits: the stolen kisses paragraph, and the wonderful whatever makes you feel and care' phrase belong to Matthew Hintz. The subject line belongs to Mike Scott. And it is about how the world could feel on a day as magical and as empty as this. Or on any day actually. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: This isn't the smiths mailing list is it?
by Sunset . 27 Sep '01

27 Sep '01

Sitting there, togeher listening to the smiths. An end to the 5 years refusal to listen. I don't know exactly what the reason for not wanting to before, although a lot of it was to do with jealousy. The music belonged to girls he had known before me, the music had filled the age gap between us and the music had meant so much to him. I didn't want to become something that he already was, or someone he had already known. Through sheer stuburness I refused to listen. Oh, but, sitting there like that. I didn't want this to end. Despite all of the arguing, despite the fact he has a new girlfriend, despite the fact have been wishing for him to leave for the last month or so. I just didn't want this to end. Tears clouded my eyes and I sucked hard at my cheeks. This was to be the last time we would sit together in a house of our own. He flicked through songs and told me a bit about the ones he liked , and a bit about why. It was a hopeful faking of a new begining. I could have curled up with my head on his chest and listened to him breathe in and out. Instead we sat upright barely looking at each other until the CD finished. I don't know what will happen now, I suppose tomorrow he will get the keys to his knew flat, and I suppose tomorrow I will come home to a bouncy dog and no one else. Well Take Care, Rachel _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Osaka Dreaming
by Graham Henderson 27 Sep '01

27 Sep '01

Well the unbelievable has finally happened. After years of sitting sullenly, half a world away from the nearest picnic, B&S are playing in a town near me. The tickets are out on saturday and I already have my minions waiting patiently, credit cards and cell-phones in hand. So this is kind of a rallying call in the unlikely event that anyone out there is considering attending the gig at Osaka Zepp on november 12th. We're looking for a few brave souls with whom to share our Makizushi and Umeshu. I wouldn't call it a picnic as such, for two main reasons: 1) Numbers: at the moment we have a meagre three, maybe four if Takahiro can persuade his boss to let him have a day off work. Getting Japanese people to chuck sickies from work should be considered as a new olympic event. 2) Haircuts: our unofficial group leader and token Gaijin has recently been accused of wanton tweelessness following and extended spell of mohawk-wearing. (According to recent japanese opinion polls, people who sport mohikans shouldn't like belle and sebastian.) Anyway if anyone is up for a bit of a gathering before the gig, give me a shout. Both Japanese and Native English speakers will be on hand to deal with your enquiries. HappyHappyHappy TBWTHE _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: Storytelling. Satire. Sandwiches.
by Spike 27 Sep '01

27 Sep '01

--- Robert Brennan <rob_brennan(a)yahoo.co.uk> > wrote: >** HOLY FUCKING SHIT ** > >Since the WTC tragedy broke about the only source of >worthwhile comment about the situation seemed to be >the posts here on Sinister. Or at least it was until >yesterday when the Onion came out of hiding with its >best and most poignant edition ever. Go to >www.theonion.com if you've not already been and read >the cake story now. Then try and work out why only >people saying anything useful are on a fan list and a >humour site... > > The great thing about The Onion this week is that it is funny without being tasteless and disrespectful. The cake story is poignant. The Whoever story is just downright funny. Will == "It's a big rock. Can't wait to tell my friends. They don't have a rock this big." Spike, Becoming, Part One _____________________________________________________________ Get email for your site ---> http://www.everyone.net +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Storytelling. Satire. Sandwiches.
by Robert Brennan 27 Sep '01

27 Sep '01

** HOLY FUCKING SHIT ** Since the WTC tragedy broke about the only source of worthwhile comment about the situation seemed to be the posts here on Sinister. Or at least it was until yesterday when the Onion came out of hiding with its best and most poignant edition ever. Go to www.theonion.com if you've not already been and read the cake story now. Then try and work out why only people saying anything useful are on a fan list and a humour site... ** WHO THE HELL ARE THE STORKS? ** Lots of talk about *shudder* OTHER BANDS. We've been B&S-starved for too long while they've been living it up and charming the pants off the USA. Unfortunately The Season Has Arrived isn't due out for another month... But what's this I see on Amazon.com? Storytelling [SOUNDTRACK] - out November 13th!!! I thought they only had about one song in it or something but this sounds tantalizingly like an ALBUM of original material. Unfortunately amazon.co.uk only has it down as Import. Booo! So who's seen Storytelling? What's the soundtrack like? Very B&S? Instrumentals? Huh? ** FILM AT 11 ** Gneissy Will's post was ace 'cos it made me laugh and spit half-chewed sandwich everywhere. It was also grate cos he mentioned ME. Even more bizarrely he mentioned ME in the context of POSTING - and I never post. Please don't look at the photograph by the way. I don't really look like that. Robster http://robster75.tripod.com ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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by Paul Arathoon 27 Sep '01

27 Sep '01

hello sinister, whats all this about the Strokes album being bleepy and electronic and Hefner thinking they are good looking and the new Velvet Television? Disgraceful. Revoke their membership of the musician's union. Yesterday I got a fairly good version of Legal Man downloaded onto my new phone as well as Love Will Tear Us Apart, Fools Gold and Debaser. There is a corner of a tiny mobile phone that will forever be indie. Suffice to say, fools gold sounds nothing like it does in real life. i've started my legal man course and have just realised the huge amount of work required to essentially get a law degree in one short year. The induction folder which covers the first 2 weeks is about 200 pages long and full of latin. And I have to read, understand and be able to lucidly discuss it. Is there going to be an autumnal london sinister meet up? Surely it is time for london sinisterites et al to stride out into the cold with our big thick winter coats and consume vodka? Or sit in a pub if it's too nasty. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: magnetic stroms and others
by Stefano Santabarbara 27 Sep '01

27 Sep '01

Dear All Sinister I'm posting after a while but it has been great to hear voices from you all during these days which has been really dramatic. When something of this proportions happens there is always the risk of say words which can simply sound rhetorical and/or empty. Which is exactly what the media does every time getting a shade of ridiculous over the most serious and worth happenings. I don't think I'm going saying anything else more of what has already been said, which will be just not redundant. I would only like to add a little comment about the future reactions, which can be simplified in the question, is revenge an answer? Moreover, will this so called "war again terrorism" really hit the terrorist or just reflect over innocents, and build up the background for hate which will in turn result in senseless (for equilibrated and neutral point of observation) action as the one happened in the U.S or the little but much continuous happening, or which had happened so frequently, in Israel? Look at the war in the Gulf, has it resolved anything? Everyday people is dieing in Iraq because of embargo, which also strikes innocent, and not the so called guilty, if we would admit that Saddam is, for example. Can innocent blood wash the blood of innocents? Isn't it just the basic of terroristic action, killing for killing. But If I should say that, it is even worst if the most powerful nation in the world, the U.S, and all the occident will act this way, because while the terrorist will never be able to strike a defined target, such as say the President, or governor, or the chief of the army or anything, all this country can do a war, if the want, which will not reverse that much on the civil, as the last examples has been (Iraq, Bosnia, Serbia). I'll be the happiest people around if the Taleban regime will be defeated, but that is not because of a war against terrorism, or for the fact in N.Y.C. or Washington, rather for the conditions, especially of woman, which are far from that which belongs to human being. But this was well know even before, but none of the so called "big" and "civil" country did anything for that, or would have done, unless the other tragedy happen. Do we ever need to be so shocked to react sometimes to evidence? Part (b) Second point, a kind of a philosophical. Thinking at the fact in N.Y.C. and combining it with recent facts happened in my very little universe, I turn wondering about the role of fate in every day's life . Ok, I should admit this is not really a "new" or particularly bright topic, either don't know why I said it could be in philosophical kind, but well this is the point. I'm really not one of the people who believe in everything being set by a obscure predestined design. I'd rather say I'm in general of the opposite opinion, rather humanistic, of a man being the "faber" of his own existence. Which is quiet a pure but poisoning, or better corrosive attitude to look at the things. Obviously I mean that in general terms as constrains and boundaries may be considered. And all the my wondering about of the last days has been around this boundary conditions and eventualities. Briefly do you think there are things that no matter the effort of the wish you could put in to realise, will never turn the way you would love to, simply because the don't belongs to you? Here is the matter of the fate, which has pointed you to or far away your quest. To make a long story short, and not getting into detailed speculations which has led me to the answer, I think the answer is "yes". I would love to hear more opinion about that I think I've been to self influenced to get out of it clearly.mhmhmh sounds confusing at the end Sorry for the long post, Take care your sinister Stefano :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-: Stefano Centro CNR Biologia Cellulare e Molecolare dell Piante Sez. Fis. Veget. Fotosintesi Università degli Studi di Milano Via Celoria 26 20133 Milano Italia/Italy Stefano.santabarbara(a)unimi.it :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-: +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: pardon me boy is that the chatanooga chu llew?
by Primitivepainter＠aol.com 27 Sep '01

27 Sep '01

*do i get a prize for the best headline ever?* *********** film music ***********friday was funny ... physically and mentally i am feeling the worst i have felt in years...and yet i managed to relive one of the finest moments in film...the scene from "Gregory's girl" when Gregory's late for school and he's zig zagging through the playground hoping that noone sees him...it was great...i was an hour and a half late for work...and i zig zagged and crouched and dodged...and slipped into work without anyone noticing...no mean feat as there are security cameras everywhere! it made me feel better anyway...and lightened my mood...i have no control over world events...i only have control over my life...and sometimes that's debatable...i drifted out of school...i drifted into a job that i've remained in for 15 years...i drifted into bands without ever learning how to play...and now i find myself being the veteran of 2 albums...with another 3 all scheduled for release early next year...all under different names with different labels...the more people that ! take us seriously the more amusing we find it...but don't get us wrong...we take the music we make deadly seriously...we just don't expect anyone else to... **************************** love is stronger than death **************************** the tragedy in america shocked me into a muted silence...shocked me so badly...and made me realise...how important your friends and family are...i've made a conscious effort to make sure the people that are close to me know that i'm always around...and some others that i thought were friends...well you live and learn as they say...i have read all of the mails and i have been overwhelmed by peoples compassion but i have also read other not so compassionate mails on certain other lists and i have been disgusted and especially ashamed of someone i actually knew or thought i knew and their lack of compassion and ignorance...you live and learn as i said... ****************** a lullaby for llew ****************** i have had a music free week or so...i haven't listened to anything...but luckily the spiritualized album has come out...so my punishment has ended...music i honestly believe can heal...its magical and can make you lose yourself into another place and to forget about everything for a while...and from time to time we all need that...i get the same feeling from books...and i received a timely parcel from my wonderful book mentor, laura llew...for a long while i have only read what she recommends...she has impeccable taste...so a humble thankyou to the llew...and on my favourite subject the lovely miss llew...i can announce that my entry for the L.L.T.T.C is finally completed...it shall be sent in the post as soon as humanly possible...its a corker by the way...i just thought i'd mention that... ************************************* different strokes for different folks ************************************* The Strokes? best band in the world?...all i will say...if you think the Strokes are good wait till you hear The Music...but i'll say no more...musical preference is the choice of the individual...that's what makes us all unique...what a sad world it would be if we all liked the same thing...the key to it is tolerance...and respect... i respect anyone that makes music...whether i like it or not...but Robbie Williams does test even my patience at times... ********************** three djs and no M.C ********************** and on that note i shall end this...if anyone is in london...myself and my colleagues shall be previewing our collective 3 albums by dj-ing at the spitz bar on saturday...there's a couple of good bands playing as well...and if anyone happens to be there...i'll be the solemn looking chap that's pretending to dj! well to give you more of a clue i'll be the short one out of the three of us, give me a nudge and i'll buy you a drink...and after that it'll be a mad dash across london to see the genius that is techno animal... ta ta everyone... love and peace to you all... richard...i...p x +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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