February 2002 - Sinister

Sinister: first post
by sarah beckett 22 Feb '02

22 Feb '02

dearest list, I've been a serial lurker for quite some time now and, like 'strange boy on swing' in the endearing 'prospero's books', I am no longer content to occasionally piddle into the great sinister swimming pool. I want to dive right in. Thankyou everyone who has posted and made the murky days shiny (or at least tinged them with romanticism). Just wanted to get my foot in the door really, so I'll leave it there and post proper later. with love sarah x ps I cant remember who it was who possibly maybe wanted a Brixton ticket but I think I have one (standing) going spare so email me.. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: even monkeys can't help me now
by fiona 22 Feb '02

22 Feb '02

sinister, i've just seen my exam marks. i knew they were bad before i looked at the noticeboard, but seeing them in black and white just hit home. even the courses i didn't do too badly on were worse then i'd hoped. if only i'd had the guts to change courses in the first year, instead of thinking i could stick it out and everything would be fine. well now i've wasted nearly three years and will have very little to show for it. the worst part is that at university no-one cares. there's no-one i can run to who'll understand and try to help me to do better in the summer. i just ran out of my last class on the verge of tears and nobody even batted an eyelid. and i'm going to have to tell my mum. its not that she'll be angry with me, she'll just be disappointed, even more disappointed than i am probably. i always joke with her that i'm the reject child now because my little brother started doing maths at cambridge this year, but i know that's what she thinks. all the way through school i was brighter than him, but now i'm just not interested, i've had enough of formal study but i've come too far to turn back now. jesus, i don't even like university. i don't have any friends among the students, everyone i hang out with i've met outside. i just can't imagine what possessed me. i'm really sorry sinistereenies, its forever since i used the list as a place to spill my problems, but i don't feel like i've got anywhere to turn right now. love and lollipops, fiona. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: virginal hello
by david pulo 22 Feb '02

22 Feb '02

Well HELLO to all the lovely folk on the sinister list. I've finally fishished reading everyones messages and so with tired eyes I've decided to write my own..... I'm first going to say thank you to good ol' B&S for producing such wonderful music. And to the people that have written such heartfelt and sincere mails you are very special people. And I know this is a while back but Will Salt your mail made me cry, it was lovely, I hope you are ok and happy. I'm sat here avoiding doing any work at uni, I don't really like the course but am too scared to make any life altering decisions at the moment. No one else in my class is in, it is friday after all, so I am all alone, I only came in to speak to some guy in the 2nd year who I think is cute, not sexy cute but sweet cute, but he's not even in so I'm going sortly. Well, the rain has stopped so I will try and make it to the train station without getting drenched like I have everyday this week. Hope you all have nice, fun filled weekends. Take care and thanks for reading. Love and Hugs from Daveyboy :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Spring Onions, Beans, Jeans
by Kenneth P Y Chu 22 Feb '02

22 Feb '02

.. Would be a possible shopping list for someone shopping in TESCOs. The more I think the more I get disturbed by the prospects that one could be obsessed with the supermarket, but I think I am. Especially the huge ones, because they're so huge, and that someone had built it. Sometimes I walk along the town I would look at the brickwalls and houses and bridges and imagine when they were being built, and how proud they must feel that they made something that would probably still be there in 100 years, or if they're lucky be found in godknowshowlong later by some archeologists who'd think that the underpass through a dual carriageway was some religious shrine and that there's some divine meaning to the words "KEN WOZ ERE". But after thinking that, the empire of reality would always strike back, and I'd remember about that smelly nob of a bricklayer who jumped to the bar in front of me, and any kind of romantic thoughts would immediately cease. Anyway, I digress like lava at the end of archetypal volcano movies, I was talking about supermarkets, well I had a bit of adverture there last night, first I picked up some spring onions, and carefully placed it in one of those clear plastic bags, and tied one of those clever knots that you do to clear plastic bags, placed it in my trolley and carried on shopping. Bought all the essential ingredients for making a curry, like curry powder, and a crate of beer, and went to the check-out. I parked my trolley neatly at the end of one of the check-out queues, until an old lady decided to park her trolley aloneside, in parallel with, and right next to mine, so very naturally as if it were a normal, rational, and sane thing to do! It was so weird, but I remembered that sign on the London Underground that said "Please give up your place to the elderly and thus mentally insane", so I moved myself onto the next counter without an argument. Okay okay I moved because I was cared of her because she looked like an evil version of Dot Cotton! She's probably a brick layer. I bet it was one of those prank TV shows where they put unsuspecting people through weird situations and see how they respond - I always get paranoid about being on one of those shows and so I always have to make sure that I'm absolutely on my own before I do embarassing things like picking my nose then biting my nails (um, I'm joking here) - if you see a pretty Chinese boy on TV getting bullied by an evil looking version of Dot Cotton of Eastenders, that'd be me. BUT that's not the main story, the main story is that when I got to the other check-out, and put all my shopping to the CBP: Conveyer Belt of Payment, MY SPRING ONIONS DISAPPEARED! I looked everywhere for it, and it was nowhere to be seen, and I checked every inch of my trolley and there wasn't a gap that my poor green produce could have fallen through. So I concluded that it was either: 1) magic 2) an I.S.O.T. - INTERNATIONAL SPRING ONION THIEF 3) I was on one of those prank shows where they steal spring onions off you and see how you'd react - if you see a pretty chinese boy looking like a grade A plonker rummaging through his shopping, that'd be me. Never mind. A good thing that happened today is that my temps agency gives out free sandwiches and crisps every Friday, and this afternoon I have received some of the most bizarre flavours of sandwiches and crisps, namely "Chicken and Stuffing Sandwiches", and "Spring Onion flavoured crisps"?! On the Ingredients of the Crisps it said... Ingredients: Potatoes, Vegetable Oil, Spring Onion Flavour (Maltodextrin - salt - dried onion - sugar - dried yeast extract - dried whole milk - dried yeast - potassium chloride - flavouring - sunflower oil - malic acid - dried garlic - wheat flour) Yes, I think the I.S.O.T. had got them too. Spring Onions and Red Bulls Ken _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: london has let me down again
by sophia katrina 22 Feb '02

22 Feb '02

my dearest sinister, i've neglected you, i know. i've been sneaking around with my real life, which is really far less interesting. and now i've come crawling back to you in my hour of need... right now i'm waiting to find out whether i've been selected for an interview for a master's course in england i've applied for. this is hardly relevant to anything that any of you have been talking about, except maybe the oxford interviews (great stories, by the way!). it's highly unlikely that i'll be granted this interview, for reasons including but not limited to the following: a) i'm too young b) the course is very very very selective - last year's application came back with a sticker on it that said "number 498" d) part of me really really really wants to get a place, which is a sure-fire sign that i won't get one e) i'm not that good but i'm stressing anyway. i've been drinking coffee all day and have that nasty, over-caffeinated, "i-can-feel-an-ulcer-coming-on" feeling. soon i have to call them up and say something like, "well, you people hold my future in your hands, want to share it with me? take your time" and then they will, and i'll say, oh, ok, thank you for telling me what i'll be doing for the next two and a half years of my life, and possibly the rest of it too, and i'll hang up. probably this answer will be "no", so i'll have to tell all of you as well as everyone else. and then i'll go to a party with my friends who will be waiting with bated breath to find out what my future will be. and we'll drink lots and lots. and then in a couple of days i'll get on a plane to england for the interview and if i come back it will only be for a little bit and then i'll have to move to london and my life will be there. (hello, london sinister massive!) but maybe all this whingeing is just the part of me that wants to be rejected because it's the easier option. my profession is not one that promises fame, fabulous riches, fast car, fast members of the opposite or same sex, or even superannuation... i thought i'd dealt with this during the many wintery weeks in london when the heating didn't work and i only had a pound to my name, and if i could afford enough sainsbury's economy white bread and economy baked beans then it was a good day. now i'm used to luxury, i can't cope with any more garrets, rat-infested halls of residence, polluted air and drive-by shootings and stabbings. i must be getting too old for it. (londoners, i'm sorry, don't take this the wrong way, i loved lots of things about london, just not daily life, & how important is that, in the scheme of things?) in london every day was a battle... every day i had to fight and the victories were so difficult and painful that they felt like defeats. every night i'd crawl into bed, aching all over, too exhausted to cry or even dream. is that really living? or is that just masochism? many of you are artists or art students - do any of you believe that you have to suffer for your art? do our vocations really choose us? how much free will do we then possess? would i choose to be spared, if i had any choice in the matter? Rilke (yay, Liz Daplyn & Archel, you guys have great taste in literature! i thoroughly recommend Paul Celan to you both: "with the butterflies, with the night/ let me into your slumber:/above you i am a speechless/breath that wakes...") famously wrote that to find out if you are really "called" to do anything (writing, photography, car repair), stop doing it. see how long you can hold out. if you don't ever want to go back to it, then that's OK. but if you almost lose it and have to work for reasons which you cannot fathom, then that's it, that's a calling. you must be humble, accept your burden, and structure your life around it. but many artists & art historians spent last century trying to deconstruct that idea of vocation, saying that art is a job like anything else, it isn't mystical or special, anyone can do it. i don't know who to believe. does being called necessarily mean leaving home? making sacrifices for your career? for years i hated australia, i thought the whole country was nowheresville, a one-horse town without no traffic light, and i couldn't wait to leave. it was a colonial mentality: eurocentric diffusionism. i thought that london was the centre of the universe, london was where the future happened. i thought of myself as someone who didn't belong anywhere, who felt most at home when living on the road and out of a suitcase, and where better to be that a global city, a hub city full of people who don't belong. i had a long conversation with a minicab driver from lagos. he lived like me: half the time in a tiny, run-down flat in london, half the time in a beautiful house with his beautiful nigerian wife and kids. (well, i don't have a beautiful nigerian wife or kids, but you see what i mean). he said that london was a place that people went to make money (on the stock market, temping, driving minicabs) and then they went home again and lived their real lives. at the time i didn't agree. there are communities, i said, if you know where to find them, of course there are. there are people who've lived here all their lives. but then i thought that perhaps my real life is in australia, too, and i was missing out on it. i read about a man who left tasmania to go to university. he hated australia and couldn't wait to leave. then he had to come back decades later, to pack up his parents' house after they had both died - "they slipped out of life quietly, not wanting to make a fuss." i cry every time i read that article. i read about a memoir written by an old man, who'd moved to australia when he was young. he stayed there for the rest of his life. he must have been eighty when he wrote this memoir. at the end he writes "my real life is in the north of england, with my mother. one day i will get back to it." then i dreamed i was in london, doing something utterly banal - buying a magazine in the tate britain bookshop, i think - and i had a sudden, blinding realisation that london was where i belonged and that i shouldn't have left. in the dream, that is. i woke up and for a few seconds i didn't know where i was. i don't think i can choose. i'm like a cat that wants to be let in the door and then ten seconds later is mewling and rubbing at its owner's legs to be let outside again. i have to face up to the fact that i have no idea what i want. so maybe i don't mind putting my future into the hands of some admissions clerk, somewhere, because god knows i wouldn't know what to do with it if i had it. i'd better make that phone call. love as always, Sophia XXXXXXXXXX ps how bad could life really be when my *****sinister valentine***** is on its way? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. 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Sinister: Le Pastiche De La Bourgeoisie
by Kenneth P Y Chu 22 Feb '02

22 Feb '02

... Since Archel likes them so much Sunbeam shone, mousy girls kissing Ken Chu You'd join the romp, oh if only they'd let you Le Pastiche de la Bourgeoisie Man your job is poo, you're an inputter of data But you're friends, they spread gold flakes on butter Le Pastiche de la Bourgeoisie Reading NME But you're just too twee You're too twee, much too twee for a boyfriend You run and hide, from their buckfast and spliff ends Don't be scared, like the Glasgoo neds take some heroine and you'll be doing fine Wouldn't you like to get away? Bestowing the memory of good and evil On miss Campbell's left behind mmm how it's fine! And you love when the band is around you How you'd love arms of sex to surround you Le Pastiche de la Bourgeoisie See the Arms of Stu Strumming we rule the school Listen Dear, I've been catching flu lately If I sneezed at your face you would hate me Le Pastiche de la Bourgeoisie Playing DDR I nearly stepped too far Wouldn't you like to get away? Give up your wages for allures of Seeing Sturan Live playing the land of Stars and Stripes!! Wouldn't you like to get away? Robertson's beckoning with swearing words, And open signs of middle fingers Westward bound Wouldn't you like to get away? Give up your wages for allures of Seeing Sturan Live! playing the land of Stars and Stripes!! <ding dingdingdingdingdingding dingdingdingdingding ding dingdingdingdingdingding dingdingdingdingding diiiiiiiiiing oog oog oog oog oog oog oog> Pastiches and Red Bulls Ken _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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by Joey V Lawton 22 Feb '02

22 Feb '02

traveled to new york this past weekend. missed many of your lovely posts. new york city is too massive. it's like when we were all small and we designed our own houses and towns and whatnot and everything was in massive child-like proportions, only this time the child was designing a city. hung over with that early morning feeling of awe for every bit of light hitting every grain of sand. coney island was all abandoned and desolate and none of the rides were working and the ocean reflected the sky so seamlessly that it looked like either the water was in a wave way up over your head or the sky had fallen and was washing up upon the beach. quite surreal. and so goes my second post. -joey PS: How do you get a girl to fall madly in love with you? It's just that the subject has come up and i'm looking for suggestions or hints and clues. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: The Morning Star
by figure2＠fsmail.net 22 Feb '02

22 Feb '02

Why are tailors such darned masochists? (bleep) it's 05:55am and I do really have an 06:00 deadline... I mean, I get on a smart suit my dad gave to me that he wore, which fits as well as the one the tailor got made for me in the Scottish Borders and the olive moleskins I got made by a trendy in Exmouth Market for £120 three years ago and they're all so damned skimpy in various ways... this jacket is cool but the trousers hurt like the moleskins and the trousers from the Borders fit but the jacket's damned miserable... as if it was for a wee hobling old man. Serves me right for being a posh git and going to tailors? Try finding trousers in the size of a 5'6" man who hasn't got an enormous bum and the sticks clowns use to walk on.... bleauh! Anyway. All in cloth to die for and I look goddamned gorgeous. So. Mwah! This must be the most rubbish ever, but... time now 05:53... The last time I slept I was beseiged by demons in weird heads and friendly gogs that then bit like alligators and the sounds! Chattering, whooshing! Luckily, the previous night I heard bongos counterpointed after a build-up with gentle electronic tines; phrases etc. before descending into what a pop outfit might term to be a 'string section'...lush then growing louder darker then a whole new meaning of loudness and darkness as the arpeggios descended and descended bigger and wider....lovely the AAAARRRRGHHHH!. So I got up and made some food to eat. That was 3am the day before yesterday. Now I have a tailoring discomfiture, after no sleep but much fun in #sini: Ahoy! Land Ahead! 06:01... I can run for the train in 12 minutes (used to it) but send, shut-down, transfer CD to bag, switch off, unlock/re-lock doors etc....xxxxxxx:) Gordon _______________________________________________________________________ Never pay another Internet phone bill! Freeserve AnyTime, for all the Internet access you want, day and night, only £12.99 per month. Sign-up at http://www.freeserve.com/time/anytime +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: yeah, what he said (+ midwest show meetups, yo)
by amy.longcore＠ch.novartis.com 22 Feb '02

22 Feb '02

hi kids. wow. neil told someone whatfor. was harsh, but i know he takes a lot of poop when it comes to the band touring. the man needed a release sometime... but golly, he even said fanny! good thing i only think that means BUTT. i don't mind paying. i wish they could make something off of the tours. i'm so flabbergasted they are coming to DETROIT of all places. amazing. i'm stunned and smitten and oh, so glad. i would've paid lots more (don't get any wise ideas tho, hee hee). sincerely, neil, if you are reading.... whatever made you guys decide on chicago and detroit on nights that ACTUALLY WORK OUT FOR ME let me just say, thank you. wether it be divine intervention or a what the hell shrug that brought them out my way, YAY! i look forward to every moment and plan to jump the stage and make everyone listen to me belch out lazy line painter jane. ok, i won't do that, but i will be having fun. guaranteed. so, yeah. the shows. lots of buzzing about meet-ups and nothing concrete. i've discussed with a few of you the idea of getting ajoining suites in a suitable hotel. i haven't even began investigating what this "suitable" place would be, since, of course it would be ideal to be a walking distance to the venue. but, this is detroit we're talking about. there'll be enough of us around and driving that we could carpool to the venue tho. as far as detroit goes, i'm thinking the howard johnsons. only 'cuz i've been there and know it's decent. i will investigate a bit more tho. trust me. as far as chicago goes, someone else could help give me ideas. so, let's figure where we'll stay, and whoever wants in on this, mail me ASAP and we'll get this ball rolling. if the whole ajoining thing is just too sini-intense for you, but you'd still like to meet everyone, heck, just get your room wherever we're staying and you can come and go as you please. i'm already planning a saturday morning breakfast at the motown international house of pancakes in detroit, then on to chicago from there :) i have a romantic thing for this IHOP since i usually go there with friends the morning after shows. plus, there's nothing better than having marvin gaye and diana ross stare down at your strawberry covered waffles as you try and wake up. so, like i say, if you want in on one or both nights of this frolicking twee insanity, let me know! i'll be the one with the lampshade on my head. i know that while in detroit my friend meghan and maybe one more will be rooming with me, then in chicago my friend david might be rooming with me. other than that, i'm open to sharing space with others of you i'm comfortable with that want to share the funding for the evening. um, i wanted to write and say pretty things, but i'm not up for it tonight. strictly business for now. special "hello"s to shawn and emily. the forecast is good, amyrachelapplejackslongcore p.s. oh yeah, i have a confession. i have no freaking idea what DDR is. enlighten me. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Have CHU and her been taKEN pictures of your obsessions?
by Rachel fruitloop 22 Feb '02

22 Feb '02

HELLO SINISTER!!!!! The other night I was laying in my bed listening to a bootleg of B&S live in L.A. on September 6th, 2001. (Thanks again, Ernie!) So many memories came flooding back to me... I could recall the visual excitement of gazing upon our beloved band as I listen to the very sounds I had heard live that night. It's so bizarre for me to hear the exact words Stuart spoke when acknowledging the boy and me just standing there in the crowd, speaking DIRECTLY to us! Does this actually happen to unsuspecting people? Does it happen to me? I barely even *got* tickets to this show, let alone imagined that I would ever be on the stage with my favorite band and favorite boy toy! I miss the boy. I miss my 'Dog On Wheels' and 'Lazy Line Painter Jane' eps that he stole from me, leaving me with only the empty cases. It's very symbolic of me and him, I suppose. Because all I really had was the empty case and the liner notes all along. I'd like to think that magical things like being asked to dance onstage with B&S happen because of good luck. Or because I'm MAGNETIC! Isn't that a lovely way to think of yourself? *You're irresistible!* But the idea that me and the boy always got special attention because we were a "good looking couple" doesn't necessarily add any depth to the superficial relationship that we had. It seems like any time even through November, that the boy and I went out we still get recognized from the B&S show... I have to say that being associated with B&S is G-R-A-T-E!! I am hoping to make some even more special memories when I see them again in less than a month with the adorable Mr. Ben Apps in a faraway land! *HOW ROMANTIC*! One thing is quite clear. My heart is knotted up with Belle & Sebastian's strings. Everything that means anything to me comes down to this band and these songs. That's what is on my mind right now. And I'd like to say that even though I swore I would *never ever* go to the Coachella festival here in the Indio desert of California EVER again (despite the fact that I saw Morrissey from about 10 feet away and cried, PLUS saw Super Furry Animals and Bis!) Mainly I swore off the festival because it is WAY TOO HOT and TOO EXPENSIVE, but because Belle & Sebastian will be there this year, so will I. And it will be WORTH EVERY PENNY and ounce of sweat to be there. Plus, I'll get to camp with Sara Bus Stopper (right, Sara?!)! Props to Neil. You rock my world! So, recently I was rereading your posts from about the 1st through the 7th of this month, and these are some things that caught my attention... *****WELCOME***** Welcome Ollie Fox! Group Hug!! *****B&S GATHERINGS***** Eric the Half a Bee wrote: "I think B&S should do a prison tour; I bet that would go over smashingly." I can imagine how cute they'd all look if they dressed up in prison jumpsuits!! Dirty Vicar wrote: "It would be great if B&S collaborated with Missy Elliot. She could sing about how hot she is and Stevie and Stuart could sing about how frightened of her they are, and then Isobel & Sarah could pop up and sing a 'hey, remember us boys?' line." The song could be called "Get UR Twee On" and released on a special 12" vinyl format with a gatefold cover full of photos and 5 different remixes. I'd buy that in a second! Jason Andreas was playing with the B&S Song generator and the results were slightly insulting but predominantly hilarious! David Moore wrote of "The Magic of a Kind Word": "convince me that Stuart doesn't actually keep singing "Shake, Mother Goose" throughout it." I think this is one of my most favorite mishearings ever!!! Ha-ha-larious!!! Gordon wrote: "What about 500 of us, from all over the world, camping in a circus big top for a week? We could do some useful community project, say, and invite belle and seb to take part in the evening revelries." I am pretty sure that's going to be us here in Cali at the Coachella festival! Everyone from all over the world should come, too! I'm sad that Nik Ovenden is going to miss it by a mere 2 weeks! *****MEET UPS***** Amy "Rachel Applejacks" Longcore wrote about a Michigan Midwest meet up: "i've been thinking independance day weekend would be good for the meet up." and then The Cat's PJs Jason wrote: "Our beloved Amy Applejacks has proposed a Sinister midwest gathering, and I'm all for it. I'm willing and eager to do a Sinister round up in the Chicagoland region and drive all the little doggies down the trail to wherever Ms. Applejacks wishes." That is a WONDERFUL idea! I hope that Ben will be here with me during the 4th of July and maybe we can have a nice Southern California meet up then, too. Speaking of meet ups: *****SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA MEET UP***** SATURDAY FEB 23, 7:15 PM at the SUNSET 5 THEATER/VIRGIN MEGASTORE IN HOLLYWOOD. We will see 'Storytelling' at 7:45 and then venture to Swingers Restaurant on Beverly for dinner. Yippee! Look out for the Reporting Back! *****YORK SINISTER MASSIVE***** Assman Walton wrote: "Mr Stuart Hallifax noted that he didn't have anything more humourous to add than the fact that Feather Boa walked in a puddle, and that Archel has a strap-on." I think it's soooooooo entertaining when you all get together, and I especially like it when you go to a computer and write stuff together for us all to read! Archel Toast wrote: "i can remember very little (apart from asm's middle name which i will probably never forget - oh, it's not 'studmuffin' by the way)." The suspense is killing me... is his middle name Danger? Har! *****POLAND SINISTER MASSIVE***** Ola "Rachola Cinnamon" wrote of her adventures with Maja and James Dancin Hatchback in Poland: " the evening continued with The Great Escape Into The Wardrobe (ever listened to sigur r�s when hidden in a wardrobe? no? well try it! ;)) and then we all went 'Oh, Let's Go Out&Get A 2nd Bottle Of Wine!' it was about 3am methinks. ah well.. we didn't go to sleep till about 5 or so = ) lalala.." I am going to have to try this sitting in a closet drinking wine and listening to music thing... except my closet is pretty small... Or maybe me and my friends will just have to take turns sitting in the closet. But it *is* pretty fun to be crammed into a closet with two lovely ladies, innit Dancin' H? I am so happy that you all had a fun time there, and I hope that your car wasn't turned into a planter by the time you returned to London! *****BAKERS DOESN'T***** A little side story about this heading. It's a phrase that my friends and I use to describe what might be called "dry humping" here... because we knew a boy with the last name Baker who is very religious and was so riddled with guilt for dry humping his girlfriend that he had to confess. From that moment on, the act became known as the "Bakers Doesn't" to me and my posse, that is, until my sister Amber coined the phrase "Xtreme Snuggling"... and um, yeah, we're retarded. Anyway I thought it would make a good heading for quoting the Bakers Baker and Lindsey Lou! They posted some beautiful words recently: LindseyLou Baker wrote: "the fortune in my fortune cookie tonight said my love of life would carry me through any circumstance, and for once, i think it might be true. i have wondered what it would be like to keep a real, i suppose, non-tour diary many times in my life, and have often tried to do the deed but to no avail." I just recently looked through the journal I had kept during my travels following Suede's '97 North American tour, and I always felt guilty for not writing down everything. I got down everything from the first 2 days and then the rest is bits and pieces. The reason I got it out at all was because I *swear* I remember meeting Genevieve Wesley from this here list in Ottawa, and I was hoping that I had written something down. Of course, I didn't find anything conclusive, but the stuff that I *did* write down was so funny! So much of it I had forgotten all about. I even stumbled upon a page that Mr. Brett Anderson himself had written... something along the lines of "we're not going to do anything even slightly interesting on this tour." and I was blown away! I mean, shit, talk about an ingrate! I have this thing shoved away in a drawer because I "never finished" my journal, and it is LOADED with grate things!! So, my perspective on journal-writing has totally changed. I'm going to try to write more, but not feel as if I am obligated to write regularly or even often. Even just to write down the stupid things that me and my friends say to each other like the "Baker's Doesn't"... that is something that I want to remember but will probably fade away into oblivion in 6 months, you know? And then Lindsey Lou said: "everything this week has reminded me of something else, someone else, and i like it that way. i like it that when i wake up to a certain song i think of a day or an event or a smell or a sound, and the moments of each day become weighted with meaning. the bottle of vodka will always be a party or a person or two and the first bottle of booze ever to reside in my apartment. the boy will always be the superchunk will always be the radio will always be the snow day will always be the unexpected b&s will always be sinister. i like that." I like that, too! You put it so eloquently! Yay Lindsey!!!! Baker,Baker wrote: "childishly, i cope with my sadness by using it as a great big magnifying lens for other things, like music. or movies, or art. gosh...have you ever considered how insignificant music and art would be in your life if you'd never ever felt terribly sad once in your life?" Yeah... everything would just seem so bland in comparison to constant happiness! And Baker, Baker wrote the most GORGEOUS thing: "in chicago, you don't see many stars. the air is too thick with the dead skin off of our cars and the warm breath of our factories making the sky steamy and dusty, like dirty glasses that you've touched too much and then come inside out of the cold with. instead of stars, we have airplanes. last time i checked, o'hare was still the busiest airport in the world, and we have lots of beautiful, blinking stars that race each other around the sky." Sometimes I forget to go outside and look at the sky. Usually, I glimpse up at the stars when I get out of my car in the driveway when my work day is done. But then it's only for a second, and maybe I do it just to make sure that the stars are still there and that they haven't all changed into airplanes... but I think I need to look at the sky more often. When I was a kid I used to stare up at the sky for hours, and I would try to comprehend how far up the atmosphere actually went before it was outer space. Sometimes I would just stand in the middle of the cul de sac and spin as I stared at the clouds, and the wire from the street lamps would stretch across my field of vision and spin around with me. It made me feel like I was on some weird carnival ride. *****LIST ABUSE***** Rachel Grapenut wrote: "List abuse is writing someone a personal message, trying to find a roommate or a ride to such and such town or other place..but not necisarily talking about things that don't relate to belle and sebastian, don't you agree?" Yes, I agree. I think the 15 minute rule is a good one; that we should take at least 15 minutes to write what we want to say to everybody. It seems like everyone who posts does that. Patrick Doyle got caught on Sinister at school and had to unsubscribe. But before he departed, he wrote about the student teacher in PE class saying that they knew who Belle & Sebastian are, and guessed that they were from the '70's or '80's to which Patrick replied: "i think you'll find that's Simon and Garfunkel" How funny! Last weekend I was talking to this guy Fred who is the receptionist at the salon where some of my friends work, and I told him that I was going to see B&S and he said "oh yeah, I've heard of them" and this other girl said "Who are they?" and he said "oh they're old, like from the '80's, they've been around forever!" I wonder if it's a common misconception about B&S... and if it is, is it because people are confusing them with a different band, or if they just think that they sound like they're from the '80's? Hmmmmmm. David Stankin' wrote of Sinister: "There should be some sort of warning on the site. I know there�s some vague talk about pulling and getting into people�s underpants and so on, but really, I think that just encourages people." Yeah, I think we're a strange breed around here. A lot of people I know don't understand the Sinister phenomenon and there is no way to explain it. And even further now, I am facing criticism from co-workers who just "think it's weird" that I met Ben through Sinister and that I actually view this as a "real relationship"... um... I think some people don't want to admit how superficial relationships can be even when you're face to face every day. And frankly, I don't give a fuck what other people say about it. I have a hard time finding like-minded people around here. I'm not ashamed to admit that I'm an oddball, and if this internet list is where I can settle down with some old story about a boy who's just like me, then that is where I belong. That's my view on it, anyway! :) Is talking about the list on the list list abuse? Props to Jenny Payne for organizing the Sinister Valentine exchange thing! John T. Cat, Esq. posted a mango pineapple salsa recipe and I can't wait to try it! Mark C wrote: "Household tip of the day - don't let girls use your shower, or you'll be picking skanky bits of hair and unmentionable gunk out of the plughole on a weekly basis ;-)" Thanks Mark, but are we supposed to believe that this is really true? (that you've had a naked girl in your house! haw-haw!) *****ONLY SLIGHTLY MENTAL***** Matt Henderson wrote: "If all good things come to an end, surely all bad things do to? I think the key to beating depression is finding that end, or at least knowing it's out there." Yeah, I think so! I mean, you all have heard my stories about fighting depression and being medicated, etc. But I have never once thought about killing myself. I think maybe because I'm too full of myself to end it all, but more than that because even in the lowest of low times, I would think to myself that things can only get better. And there was one occasion when I was wallowing in my misery and I asked "how can things get any worse?" and I got my answer in the form of a car accident, and my troubles that had me reeling before seemed less tragic in comparison to not having my car for 2 months due to insurance red tape and mistakes! arrgghhh! But for the most part, I think that good times and bad times come in cycles. All I can do for myself is take medication to fix the chemical thing and then try to think positively. The power of optimism is astounding. Steven Rhodes makes me laugh! He wrote: " I had this momentary lapse of reason and instead of putting the milk back in the fridge, I put it in the cupboard. Have you ever done this? I actually did a similar thing the other day. I was driving home from work and instead of driving home I flew to Geraldton, Western Australia. It was really embarrassing." Yeah, I hate it when that happens! And the bit about cats hating the beach, oh, that KILLED me!! I felt like I was reading Steven's stand-up act!! :) Rachel Grapenut wrote: "My nostalgia (though some would consiter me a child, I do not!) is mostly for the opertunity to be childish,something that is discouraged past childhood, but really does not have to be and should not be." I see what you mean. I don't feel discouraged about being childish. Or "child-like" as ColinBoy used to say. I think that it's important to be child-like. I just find that now that I'm a grown-up, nobody forces me to play outside. I remember when I was a kid and me and my sister and our 2 brothers would be driving my mom crazy and she would force us to play outside for a while. And like the memory of spinning around looking at the sky, I can remember how it felt to notice the little nuances in the weather when the sun started setting later in the evenings as spring approached, and how it felt to get so hot from running around in the mild California winter twilight until the street lights came on. Yet my cheeks would be beet red and freezing cold on the surface and my mom would yell at me for taking off my coat in the middle of the front yard because it was too hot to wear whilst riding my bike around. And now the street lights are on before I even get home from work, so I wouldn't have time to force MYSELF to "play outside" even if I wanted to despite the fact that the neighbors would think I was crazy (er). But I think this is what is missing from my life. The simplicity of being forced to play outside... Kirsten Kenyon wrote: "my goodness. looking back, it's now quite clear that my present state of dorkiness is the cruel denouement of years of...dork training." I, too, come from a long line of dorks. It just happens when you're raised to break into song at the mention of any sentence that resembles a song lyric, or to make the most ridiculous puns out of anything. I think that we should embrace our dork lineage and just take comfort in the knowledge that we are not alone! :) And at least we have some "culture" to pass on to our children! *****FOR ME TO MP3 ON***** David White wrote about having his MP3s on his B&S site removed: "I'd also be mightily pissed off if I'd written music that people were stealing at my expense BUT let's not forget here that I wasn't actively letting people download the entire back-catalogue of Belle & Sebastian, I was letting them download a few rare and unreleased tracks." Yeah, that makes me sooo mad! I'm just glad that I pretty much copied everything I wanted to cd before all this happened. If anyone is looking for copies of anything, I can check and see if I have what you're looking for. Jordi wrote: "I heard once that everything that is being done against mp3 would be like coming back to the 50�s and have some official governments trying to forbid radio." That is such a good analogy. How easily we forget the early struggles of social and technological revolution! *****DIDN'T CHU KNOW?***** "Buddists all exclusively listen to Drum 'n Bass, Jazz and Easy Listening and no other forms of music, because they are too at ease with the world and thus aren't miserable enough to care for the whiny lyrics of Morrisey despite the beautiful melodic tunes that often go with them." Oops, then Michael Vance stepped in, speaking of being BUDDHIST and a MORRISSEY FAN! Sorry Kenny! It was a good theory, though! *****WHAT'S IN A NAME?***** Mandee wrote of her band, Daniel Tiger's, demise: "What happens after the end of our fakery? The four of us decided on pursuing solo careers--myself recording under the assumed identity of Simone Turner. We kicked around the idea of forming another band called Swimbuddy. Then another one called The Corn Horns. But where's the real ambition? There only seems to be a real motivation to do something that will only amount to a load of more fakery." I had some fake bands with my friends... my stage name was Rain Bowie and Vicky's name was Sassy Chavelle. We were the fake superstars of bands like Larue, Mascaria, and Maidavale. And who could forget those fake one hit wonders, Mimosa? Errm, everybody! I am quite fond of The Corn Horns, Mandee! (well, I imagine I am, just because the name is swell!) I think that CookieLove is a grate name for a band, and that Astrid is very cute! I liked the name Brighten, too. To Rachel Grapenut, I'd like to say that at one point I had made a draft to post that had comments in it about her and Max's lovely lovely posts and it just sat there too long and got old and so I never posted it. But I took notice, I really did! :) Well, in closing, I'd just like to say that you're all wonderful. I hope to meet some of you when I'm in London next month visiting Ben (which will be March 14-24). THANK YOU to those of you who have written lately to tell me that you like my mega posts. It makes me feel a lot less self-indulgent when I send a 24k post to the list! And to those who I am annoying, sorry in advance! I feel that this one is particularly boastful and I don't mean to be that way with all of my talk about B&S and the meet up and Suede and it's only stuff... you know that, right? Thanks for giving me a good place to express myself. Shout outs to the Rachels (�VIVA RACHELS!) and love to you all! Have fun everyone! love, Rachel fruitloop *****FAVORITE QUOTES***** "why dont i have someone? i dont look like a toad and im not into recreational cannibalism?" - Stine "Don't try to disown yourself like a friend you're ashamed of being seen with by the cool kids." - Kate Keenan "i didn't see how i could be "stuck" anywhere except where i was, and i told her so." - Kirsten Kenyon "yeah......its good to reflect sometimes." - Caleb Ben Moore "I like to dress like I did when I was four years old." - David Stankin' Cooter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. 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