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Sinister: If you're feeling 'Gin is the answer' (PICNIC x 2: ALBERT MEMORIAL 22nd / 23rd JUNE)
by Ken Chu 21 Jun '16

21 Jun '16

Hello Sinisters, 2016 has been pretty shit, eh? Luckily, Professor Brian Cox is still alive, and things can only get better! Because there are 2 (TWO) Belle and Sebastian gigs at Royal Albert Hall! THIS WEEK! playing TIGERMILK and IYFS! WTF! So much excitement, but NO picnic has been announced, it seems???? NO PICNIC! Scary thought - I wouldn't blame one if one BRICKS IT right now - well, REMAIN calm, all. Here is not ONE but TWO picnics being announced! SINISTER PICNIC 1 =============== PRE-TIGERMILK Thursday 22nd JUNE Albert Memorial, 5pm It is right opposite Royal Albert Hall (Map reference here: http://tinyurl.com/jtddyk4) Look out for sinister looking folks with upside down badges? Bands start 7:45pm so plenty of drinking time SINISTER PICNIC 2 =============== PRE-IYFS Thursday 23nd JUNE Albert Memorial, 5pm It is right opposite Royal Albert Hall (Map reference here: http://tinyurl.com/jtddyk4) Look out for sinister looking folks with upside down badges? Yes - this is the same plan as 22nd June!! WHAT IF IT RAINS? ============== I suggest meeting at The Queens Arms instead - it's two minutes walk from RAH 30 Queen's Gate Mews, London SW7 5QL http://tinyurl.com/zsw4wf2 See you there?? Private e-mail me for my mobile if you would like to have a number to call in case of getting lost etc. Gin and Red Bulls to all, Ken +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Still the simple things
by Joseph Vess 08 Jan '16

08 Jan '16

So I hear Sinister's back? I'm a little late, sorry. Not as late as when I last posted though, 9 years ago now I think? I was listening to The Boy with the Arab Strap (see how long it's been? I don't even remember the clever nickname of it) a few days ago, probably the first time I've listened to it all the way through in years. It was the first B&S album I got, about 17 years ago. I think the last album of theirs I got was The Life Pursuit, and the last one I actually really listened to was DCW. I mean, I hate to be one of those old fogies saying "it's not as good as it was back in my day"...oh wait, I LOVE being one of those old fogies. Sorry! As I was listening to it today I remembered the very first time I heard it, in my dorm at university. I remembered how much I absolutely loved it then, and listened to it over and over and over, and how few albums I listened to then that I still listen to now. And I can't think of any that move me like hearing this one again after a long absence, except maybe If You're Feeling Sinister, and especially the way that "Get Me Away From Here I'm Dying" transitions into "If You're Feeling Sinister." I love that bit. And listening to it today I just had this feeling of joy and happiness wash over me, this combination of nostalgia and familiarity and musical perfection. It was lovely. And that it happened as I was driving home from work on a quiet, country road with a beautiful sunset over the mountains in front of me made it even better. It's much easier to have that feeling now living way out in the country after almost 20 years in crowded, congested cities. Thanks to Sinister I snagged a free copy of Stuart David's new book a few months ago, the one called "In the All-Night Café: A Memoir of Belle and Sebastian's Formative Year." I have to say I quite enjoyed it, read it through in about a day and a half, and it also made me harken back to those early days of my listening to the band, even though by then it wasn't their early days at all anymore. Damn they do make wonderful music though. It's a great read, especially if you're a sentimental one like me. Glad you're back. Joe +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: You made me remember my dreams
by Ken Chu 02 Nov '15

02 Nov '15

Hello, I have a little box in my head, where I keep snippets of your emails. I have been opening it a lot today. One of these flew out of the box - it was one that pondered whether one day sinister will end. I read it again and got sad. It also pondered the idea of a Sinister retirement village, an everlasting bowlie weekender/perpetuality-er. I'd like such a place. I wonder what it'd be like - I've met many of folks here but there are many more whom I have only ever known through reading of words on here. Not many posts go on here, these days, but it's a treat every time one comes. The flurry of emails when Stuart David wrote a book back in March made my heart flutter. When the box opened again and I started reading another post by someone else - regaling a story of throwing up multiple times out of Matthew Henderson's car, that made me smile. I miss you all. I also went on #sinister again too, a few weeks back. It made me remember that if I hadn't searched for the guitar chords for IYFS 15 years ago and stumbled upon here, I would likely to have a much better paid job than I do now, but likely to have remained as much of a little shit as I was then (still quite shit, mind). I intend to go back again. Maybe see you around, sometime. There are other boxes in my head, too, some have been taped shut for a long, long while. I wonder if I dare opening them again. I will close this one for now. Ken p.s.: Content - I am seeing Ben Apps in a couple of weeks, we are meeting David Beckham, no shit. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Offbeat leftfield indie night - Sheffield - Sat 17th October
by Dr Chris Stride 29 Sep '15

29 Sep '15

We're back... Offbeat - Sheffield's legendary leftfield indie night * back for an 18th year! * eternally DIY. unashamedly obsessive. defiantly independent. * - voted as the UK's ultimate indie disco by BBC Radio 6 - - An alternative to mainstream indie nights - Saturday 17th October 2015 Friday 13th November 2015 Friday 11th December 2015 @ Raynor Lounge, Sheffield Uni SU (off Bar One) 9pm-1am £4.00 on the door inc. free lollipops and stickers as ever playing classic and current leftfield indie, pop-punk, C86, new indiepop underground and lo-fi sounds from the likes of ... yeah yeah yeahs - arcade fire - los campesinos! - future islands - belle and sebastian - pixies - parquet courts - pavement - smiths - interpol - joanna gruesome - the horrors - sleater kinney - joy division - le tigre - vietcong - buzzcocks - half man half biscuit - veronica falls - animal collective - shins - slaves - cure - mclusky - kenickie - pains of being pure at heart - white stripes - elastica - cloud nothings - magnetic fields - my bloody valentine - bright eyes - courtney barnett - foals - toy - cribs - diiv - r.e.m. - kurt vile - bloc party - maccabees - fall - slow club - deerhunter - pulp - british sea power - hefner - the school - nirvana - AND MANY MORE * more Offbeat information, including Spotified past playlists: www.offbeatsheffield.com See also: twitter.com/offtweat facebook.com/groups/2432047470 -- -- Dr Chris Stride, C. Stat, Statistician, Institute of Work Psychology, University of Sheffield Telephone: 0114 2223262 Fax: 0114 2727206 "Figure It Out" Statistical Consultancy and Training Service for Social Scientists Visit www.figureitout.org.uk for details of my consultancy services, and forthcoming training courses, which are also available on an in-house basis: - Data management using SPSS syntax - Advanced SPSS syntax and SPSS macros - Testing for Mediation and Moderation using SPSS - Multi-level Modelling using SPSS - Introduction to Structural Equation Modelling using Mplus - Testing for Mediation and Moderation using Mplus - Multi-level Modelling using Mplus - Latent Growth Curve Modelling using Mplus +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Westminster tonight
by Sam Walton 11 May '15

11 May '15

Hello Sinister, I meant to post a couple of months ago, as the list sputtered back into life to discuss a new album and book, but I just didn’t manage to do so. Now that it’s quietened down again, I regret missing out. I’m not sure I’d have had much to contribute, not having read Stuart David’s book and with Chris Jones already having posted a link to my review of GIPWTD, but I think I’d have enjoyed feeling like a contributory *part* of Sinister again nonetheless. Never mind. I snoozed, and lost - these things must be accepted - and I enjoyed being a brief lurker. I enjoyed the Pine Fox's tales of office toilet politics, and Ken’s writings about muff, ATP and riding on city buses. As it happens, I am off to Iceland in July for the ATP there, at which Belle & Sebastian will be playing, so will try and remember to Report Back afterwards, with news of how our Icelandic friends enjoyed the festivities. I write now, though, out of step with the rest of Sinister it would seem, simply to inform anyone who might be interested that I’m seeing Belle & Sebastian at Westminster Central Hall this evening. It’ll be the first Belle & Sebastian concert I’ve attended since their Latitude set in the summer of 2010, and the first indoors since February 2006 (which doesn’t actually feel as if it was over nine years ago - or, maybe, that's just what nine years feels like these days). so I'm slightly apprehensive. I loved that band so much; I hope that by 11pm I won't be feeling too desperate to travel back in time. Anyway, I’ll be flying solo, so if anyone sees me and wants to say hello, by all means do (unless, of course, it’s during one of the band’s quieter numbers - this is not 'Nam, after all). I’ll probably get there for the support band, Lower Dens, around 8pm. Perhaps I’ll be so moved by the show, one way or the other, that I’ll Report Back on it tomorrow, and not wait to do my RB-ing until returning from Iceland in July. Who knows, perhaps other Sinisterines will do the same - I’m not sure if you’ve gone back to sleep or not, dear Sinister. I hope you’re only dozing. Love Sam.x +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Tickets for London Tuesday 12th May 2015
by Satyin Taylor 05 May '15

05 May '15

Am I still on this list? If I am, I think it's 18yes this summer/autumn so it might be time to stop. Anyway I have to go on training in Derby so can't go to this. Does anyone want a pair of tix at face value, long sold out? I'm not entirely sure how to best suggest you contact me, I get the digest if I get anything (I don't seem to get anything actually?) so might not see a reply quickly. Erm some folk on here have my details I should think, @purpletrousers on Twitter does that help? Satyin (ex-Jim) +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Write about muff
by Ken Chu 24 Apr '15

24 Apr '15

Just as a public service announcement I'd like to clarify that I am not Laurel Violet. I'm listening to GIPWTD (awaiting backronym) - I thought it's quite good. I particularly enjoy "Enter Sylvia Plath" as it reminded me of a particular dirty dream. I've been meaning to write ever since Sinister returned. Actually, I've been meaning to write to you for ages. One time, talking to an old Sinisterine (old as in old friend, not age-wise - well, to be fair we're all getting on a bit) I'm pretty sure I boldly claimed that I would write one post a day, and won't stop, until everybody starts to write again. But it seems everybody is back, and I have not yet written a single thing - which saved me a job, but also exposes the fact that I hadn't made the effort to get in touch even more. That is not to say that I do not think of you though, which happens more often than one expects: Every time I ride a bus (very often), or when I listen to TWATTYBUS or FISHYCLAP or the red one with the boring acronym and the blue one with the breast (quite often), or when I go to primrose hill (not frequent) or Scotland (long overdue) or flying to US on adventures with woefully inadequate planning (those were the days). I even went to the LAST EVER ALL TOMORROW'S PARTIES (which later turned out to be only the SECOND LAST EVER, and now turned out not to be even that - but that's another thing altogether) at Camber Sands. What memories of that place, eh? It was pretty weird, actually. Being an ADULT - as much as I pretend not to be one. We brought wine that wasn't the cheapest on offer, and actually made food using that kitchen and went to bed at a respectable time, in my own chalet - come of think of it, it was pretty shit, to be honest, so I'm glad that that was the last ever one (except it fucking even wasn't the last ever one at all, or the second last ever, but that's another thing altogether). What else do I remember? Falling asleep upstairs at the garage. Falling asleep and getting ejected from Tron. Falling asleep on 5 different night buses after Tigermilking at Bar Oporto. Most of those times, I was probably dreaming of you. I have lots more to write, but this is already long. I will write again soon, I promise, and you should too. Ken +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: the catcher hits for 318
by Jonathan Skinner 13 Apr '15

13 Apr '15

Dear Sinister, I am just in the door after transversing the transbay tube from Berkeley back to San Francisco. Belle and Sebastian played a blinder - We got on stage for Boy with the Arab Strap, but alas brunch and mimosa's kept me from being up to be on stage for the whole show. I was sad and happy at the same time, I teared up during "dirty dream" and 90% of the tears were of happiness - thinking about where I was when I first heard that song, how B&S was my first ever concert way way back in Dublin when Stuart smashed his guitar. Thinking about how their albums moved with me through sad times and happy times and now much happier times. Basically thinking how everyone of those artists on stage meant a lot to me, and seeing them playing in the greek theater with Venus and Jupiter shining on them ( i checked - they were the real stars we could see) I also now am thinking how those mimosas and subsequent $12 glasses of wine at the venue are going to hold me in bad stead for my 7am meeting tomorrow. But alas, that is hours away, and all I can think about is the fact that they ended with La Pastie Love Jonathan +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: The great digest competition cockup of 2015
by honey＠missprint.org 12 Apr '15

12 Apr '15

Brief, I promise. Firstly my thanks to El Duke for a fine words of Stuart's book which makes me feel that it wasn't necessarily just me on happy pills thinking it was quite good. If *you* won a copy, please let us all know. Secondly my apologies to Robert who stands in for everyone on the digest who received it too late to enter the competition. I am sorry! I forget how this thing works. By way of pathetic apology there's some sort of related competition doodah at: https://www.waterstones.com/blog/in-the-all-night-cafe-stuart-david and a link to a playlist of songs that Stuart M gave Stuart D one day (pre-B&S) on a cassette when he was ill. Here's that playlist. The last song still never fails to makes me glow attractively. Salad Days - Young Marble Giants Veils of Colour - The Blue Aeroplanes Hours of Darkness Have Changed My Mind - Felt Ballad of The Times - Everything But The Girl Almost Prayed - The Weather Prophets Oomingmak - Cocteau Twins Sorry For Laughing - Josef K Brighter - The Railway Children Outdoor Miner - Wire Afterglow - The Servants High Expectation - Stereolab Savage Sea - The Pop Group Streets of Your Town - The Go Betweens City Sickness - Tindersticks Honey +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: reporting back from the all-night cafe
by alistair fitchett 11 Apr '15

11 Apr '15

I was fortunate enough to have a copy of Stuart David's book waiting for me on the doorstep the other day. Needless to say it immediately went to the top of 'to-read' pile. Needless to say too, having polished it off last night, I thoroughly enjoyed every last moment of it. It connected with me in a number of ways, not least in being a vivid portrayal of being on the dole in the West of Scotland in the early '90s, looking for ways to avoid the attentions of the DSS and effectively using benefits as an arts subsidy - bloody scroungers the lot of us ;) I think anyone of a certain age will certainly find that evocative. Certainly for me too the whole notion of everything taking place in Glasgow helped connect with me - does knowing the places make it feel more real? Maybe. I think anyone who knows/knew Glasgow in the '80s and '90s will find the book as a comfortable friend, and anyone who's yet to experience the city will certainly want to visit it, even if only to see if the sun really does shine as rarely as Stuart suggests (in my experience, yes it does). I guess the real reason any B&S fan will want to read the book though is to discover lots of juicy stories, and if that's the case then I think they'll be pleasantly disappointed. By that I mean there are no revelations, at least for anyone who's a long-time Sinister dweller, but that's okay. Rather it kind of cements in place what you already knew, or felt you knew, or knew you felt. And that's a good thing. If the book does challenge anything, it's in the way that Stuart David's own notions of how to be in a band and how to 'make it' in the music industry are challenged and shaped by meeting Stuart M - and in itself it feels like this is a document that kind of lays out the blueprint for how an 'indie' scene could/would be established in the nineties and beyond. The sense of having a clear vision and being pretty uncompromising in chasing that vision, regardless of what 'experts' might think you should do. That tension between assuredness and shyness that Belle & Sebastian records certainly seemed to embody comes over well, I think. There is a charming warmth that pervades the book, and the characters are sympathetically drawn. The ones you think you know feel like you think they ought to, and the ones you don't feel like one' s you at least kind of do. It helps that Stuart is a Proper Writer too. He'd make that previous sentence of mine make sense. I think the Tigermilk launch party is absolutely the right time to end the story because you do sense that because this is Stuart David's story, it is inevitably just about to head off in other directions. Not that it's about to get messy or anything, but you know the rest of the story is going to be more about the history of a Pop Group, and I know some people love those kinds of things, but personally I find them a wee bit dull. Finally, maybe it's just me, but I couldn't help but hear the two Stuart's voices reading the text to me in my head. That's a good thing too. It's officially released (do books have release days like records?) the day the day after my birthday and even though I have this proof copy I'll happily spend some of my birthday money on a copy of the hardback. You should to*. I think you'll enjoy it. The Duke *it doesn't have to be birthday money +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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