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Sinister: new puritanism
by Kieran Devaney 16 Feb '03

16 Feb '03

********************************************************************* INK POLAROID This is my friend and I standing in Sheffield Station Im the shorter one, wearing jeans and a yellow t-shirt hes much taller, also wearing jeans and a black hole hooded top (as in Courtney Loves old band, not the things in space), I cant stand hole, incidentally, he knows this but we dont talk about it much, Ive often wondered, and Im sure he has too, quite how were able to tolerate each others wildly different musical tastes (actually theyre not all that different in the grand scheme of things, but in the rarefied world of indie theyre miles apart). We both look a bit bored and annoyed I suppose, this is partly because weve been waiting for people to arrive for ages theyre very late, we were told on the phone that theyd be here in twenty minutes time, but that was over an hour ago, and while I think we both appreciate that British Rail minutes are just that little bit longer than regular ones, we didnt expect it to take quite this long at all. We arent speaking much, having pretty much exhausted topics of conversation weve been together nearly all day and by now we just want our friends to arrive and bring new things to talk about, and so that we can leave too. Rush hour is just taking hold, you cant see outside because the camera is facing the wrong way, but if you could then youd notice that the roads are full of rushing headlights tearing up the rain-slick roads - but all around us hundreds of people are flowing back and forwards, getting on trains and getting off trains all sorts of people, schoolchildren, business people, families, alone, in groups, in couples I always think its fascinating to see people just going about their business like this, hearing tiny snippets of their conversations, little fragmentary windows into their lives. I like the ones that look purposeful best I think, perhaps because they have that real dynamism that I sort of lack complete conviction of course they probably dont and Im just projecting, but its nice to think that maybe somebody does. Anyway I also look a bit annoyed, or perhaps a bit puzzled is more accurate because Ive just turned to my friend and told him that I could spend hours in stations just watching people, because its really interesting just seeing them to-ing and fro-ing, basically what I just told you up there and he replied I dont know, they all seem pretty boring. Just like that. And so Im standing there next to him thinking that maybe we dont have so much in common after all. ********************************************************************* I realise that is somewhat after the fact, more than a week late even, but my dog ate the first copy, then the computer crashed and then I had a dental appointment Miss. Honest. An update on my last post now, as promised. After mulling things over for a wee while Im afraid I opted for the cowardly option and said nothing. I even ran home for the whole of last week, but now that Im back things seem to have calmed down a bit, so I suppose its ok. My apologies if you were gunning for me grassing him up, and I know a couple of people sort of were, but to be honest I dont think, even if he wouldve been chucked out it wouldve made all that much difference, they all seem to be about as bad as each other and the small respite that would have afforded as they reeled from his departure would, I fear, have been short lived and would not have merited the hassle and guilt that telling on him would inevitably have brought on. Or thats how Im justifying it to myself anyway, the rest of you are entirely free to make up your own minds. In better news, whilst at home for the week I managed to catch The Delgados live who were pleasant in a straightforward, workmanlike fashion I dont think gigs like that are going to win them any new fans, but if you like the songs, and fortunately for the most part I do, then you probably wont be disappointed. Its a bit disheartening, though, to hear bands play like that, renditions which are as close to the records as possible, it must get very boring playing like that, and itd be nice to hear a bit of improvisation (not in the serious, eyes shut jazzer way, though thatd be nice in itself, but more in the loosening up and having fun way). Which is sort of what Pram, the other band that I saw that week did and, ok, Pram arent nearly as lush as The Delgados, in fact some of their records are pretty out of tune (but far better for it, I think) and theyve been known to put in some fairly shambolic live performances in the past, but I think theyve gotten the balance of pretty and fragile about right now, and the new material sounded excellent too. I dunno if theyre touring properly, I think they did another date in London, but if they are and you get the chance, then Id heartily recommend seeing them. The support acts were fantastic too, though one veered towards that dangerous musical philosophy that says that putting a breakbeat over anything is automatically funny, not the best territory to be on really, though he operated it pretty well the other on the other hand brought to mind Muslimgauze, if hed been concerned with the fate of people living in long defunct seaside towns rather than the Middle East. Brilliant. I do have more things to say, but Ill leave them for another time, I should really get to bed now. Love, - Kieran _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - fast, easy and FREE! http://messenger.msn.co.uk +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. 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Sinister: These people are excited by their cars
by breams 15 Feb '03

15 Feb '03

Um, hi... I went to see the go betweens tonight and as expected they were superb. It was a balmy evening, as per usual, but that didn't stop us dancing up a very small amount of storm activity. In fact, our rapturous applause was sufficient in its volume and longevity to entice them back for 3 encores. Really, can I ask for anything more of an evening? There was a guy there dancing and trying to sing along without knowing any of the words. To my bleary eyes he was a dead ringer for Mr Casarotto, just 10 years older. For most of the time his gawky dancing and open mouthed bah-bahing made him look like a goldfish on speed (though come to think of it perhaps a goldfish would've looked a little less awkward). Actually, these last few days have seen a plethora of gigs in Perth, although most of you will probably not understand the enormity of there being a decent gig in this hum-drum town, let alone multiple. We get so few bands touring here and have such poor talent in the 'local scene' that even a passable act with something more to offer than indie-rock-standard-issue-angst-ridden-four-piece material is received like a godsend. So seeing the go betweens & spoon tonight and idlewild last night was perhaps more fulfilling than should be expected. In other news, valentines day happened. *scowls at the 'happy couple' people* I hate valentines day. Everyone is so damn chirpy and smug. I think there should be a day celebrating everyone who's too [insert shortcoming here] to be in a relationship. Maybe I'm just overly bitter, but there's certainly something about getting sympathy valentines from friends and family that smarts a tad. In my next life I'm going to boycott all celebratory days other than birthdays. No more christmas! No more valentines day! No more bloody australia day! But I guess I'll just have to make do with going on festivity alert. Whenever a festive occasion is nearing I'll use my traditional strategy of total anti-social behaviour. Which usually amounts to sitting in my room and mentally scowling at the rest of humanity, or eating far too many sweets and feeling ill for hours. Either way, the end result is one seriously grumpy bastard. Anyways, my minute(s) on this virtual soapbox are over. I certainly hope the next speaker uses their time to greater effect. Pleasantries and all that. Jeremy +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: still you talk soft
by Francesca 15 Feb '03

15 Feb '03

hi there, i'm feeling a bit out of time these days... you know when a minute lasts a hundred years and a week just few second... as for everything else happpening to/in my mind in this period i give all the fault to my nasty cold... i'm making a mixed tape, it's a bit sadder than the expected, but i'm not sure it'll survive the morning. i'm stuck in my room to study because it seems i'll have THE exam on tuesday...but being my sense of time not working i'm not realizing that i have few days left, so i'm not worried at all, except in some brief moments in which i become conscious of it and the panic starts... today a lovely thing happened to me: i received a letter from a childhood friend and it was almost six years i didn't get in touch with her. i was surprised and really happy...it was totally unexpected and it made my day (unexpected things are the ones i love most:)) byebye francesca ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Cellulari: loghi, suonerie, picture message per il tuo telefonino http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://it.mobile.yahoo.com/index2002.html +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Hello Sinistereens
by Saint Virar 15 Feb '03

15 Feb '03

Well I was just let out of the nursery a week or so ago and thought I would try out my new-found privilege of posting to the list. Am feeling a bit wary of saying the wrong things - our list mum having successfully instilled in me a proper sense of theoretic decorum. I've little experience with mailing lists and none with list abuse, though from limited experience in some music-related chatrooms a few years ago I can see the horrific possibilities. I've enjoyed reading all the postings of late, and all of you seem to be thoughtful and articulate folks. I am somewhat isolated as a fan of B&S, more than a handful of years away from a bungled foray into higher education (I was, indeed, happy for many days in 1975), recently hitched and recently a father. So it is nice to connect in some way with other people who like this music. I've this sort of attraction or resonance with things Scottish, and there is a reason or basis of this that I may want to share in the future. And this basis was anticipated by other small tragedies, like the time I traded "Thick as a Brick" for something to smoke... On recommendation from NPR here in the States I bought "The Great Eastern" and through some sort of online perusal discovered B&S and heard them courtesy of napster. And now a fan... And that's enough for now... Arin PS Even as an American I am cannot understand my government's warmongering. It is truly saddening and sickening. Be vigilant. Guard the mind against negative thoughts. - The Buddha _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Sometimes I lie awake til sunrise
by a.s.t.r.i.d＠nme.com 14 Feb '03

14 Feb '03

Hi Sinister, Happy Valentine's Day to all of you, even though it sucks. But not completely though. Mine was quite alright, for not having an actual Valentine to woe. But still. Our school had this two hour concert for Tibet, it was fun. I got out of my computer class and all, and it was fun to see everyone perform. To be honest, I was dying to perform myself, I so wanted to be the cool rockgirl that everyone falls in love with. But no. Lots of girls singing lots of ballads, some good stuff, this guy rapped and he was brilliant, some nice poetry, a nice drumsolo and some other stuff. Mostly though: LOTS of girls + LOTS of ballads. Hmph. Yesterday, I was home alone, so I had on a t-shirt and knickers and danced around the apartment, miming in fron of the mirror to the v. cool band The Sounds songs. I'd say my performance of their song Riot was the best. I ended up lying on the floor, and then in other various cool rockclichéposes. It was one helluvanevening, i tell ya. But it was sort of fun, i guess. I'm still coughing like hell. It's really annoying. Especially at night, when I wake up and lay in my bed like coughing non-stop for half an hour and stuff. And it's not nice when you wanna cough all the way through all the ballads in the schoolshow. It's like a mental game. Slow song = big need for coughing. Loud song where no one would notice = feelin' swell. Turns out I'm not going to New York. Or that exchange-student-thing to Seattle for four months. Fuck no. It costs a fortune, apparently. Duh. I miss New York even though I've never been there. But listening to Jesse Malin sort of is New York to me. Yours truly intended to go to an anti-war in Iraq-demonstration tomorrow. But I probably won't since I'm so sick. It's a shame though, I've been planning to go for ages. The most exciting thing that happened today, was that I got to sit behind my crush for two hours, plus my favourite teacher accidently put his hand on my thigh (it really was an accident and we were both sort of embarrassed, so don't go thinking he's some old perv or something, he really is the cooles teacher ever) for like a second. Oh my GOD. That was the most exciting thing about my day. OH MY GOD! I think I might write a novel. I've started one. But I really want to write a good novel and be good at something. My music sort of sucks sometimes. I'm not so good at the guitar and I've been playing for two years now. I love it, but people give me more praise for my writing (thank you all you sweet sinisterians who keep sending sweet e-mails to me, encouraging me to keep on writing) so maybe I'll stick to that for a while. Or drawing and painting. Oh well. Hope you all feel better than I do. I suspect that I have coughed out every single piece of my body, so I'm just some sort of empty shell. Ewww..! Now that's gross. I take it back. In real life, I can't control what I say, so mostly I walk around making an arse of myself in front of people who I like, but on the internet you can push the "<---"-button and avoid saying stupid stuff. But I don't like to, somehow. I just prefer being uncensored or something. I'm sorry about that, though. Love, snow, and coughings Astrid x Reporter: Spit or swallow? Craig N: I like all birds. I think the eagle is my favourite. Aaaaaaw. That's just too sweet. Hee hee hee. ______________________________________________________________ For up-to-the-minute music news, reviews and specials visit http://www.nme.com Get free e-mail (anyname(a)nme.com) now at http://www.nmemail.com The sender of this e-mail is NOT an employee or associate of NME, nme.com or any other IPC magazine. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Give The Game Away
by P F 14 Feb '03

14 Feb '03

I thought I should do something for Valentine's Day. I stopped in at Woolworth's. I looked at the records. REVOLVER cost �15.99. I thought, I'm not sure I'd pay �5.99. I was going to head on out when 'Take On Me' started. I couldn't leave during 'Take On Me'. I picked up a Spider-Man video and put it down. I wandered across to the Pick&Mix. One day I may have to recount the days when I would lock my bicycle on the edge of the market in autumn's early dusk, wander into another Woolworth's, and under the bright lights pile up a bag of mixed sweets that would cost more than I'd expected. I thought I would pay tribute to such memories for Valentine's Day. I decided to be careful. I only picked one of each sweet, in most cases. Cola fizz bottles. Blue bottles. A monochrome shark. strings of black and yellow, loops of orange and green. A shrimp. A white mouse. A strawberry. Red lips. By the time I'd reached the counter, 'You Spin Me Round (Like A Record)' was finishing. The total cost was 78p. I considered that reasonable. As I walked out on to the street, I put the white mouse in my mouth. It cracked open in an instant of snowblind rapture. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: what's the point?
by Sunny set 14 Feb '03

14 Feb '03

I know I have left this a bit late but I was just wondering if anyone else will be going to the Glasgow antiwar rally tommrow? If so please get in touch and we can try to arrange to meetup. Stefano and Jim both gave very good reasons why they are going to the rally in London so I don't think I will say much more. I think instead I will show you this. It was written by a friend and has nothing to do with antiwar rallies or anything, but it does sort of sum up the reason I have decided to go: "This is why we stay alive. Think about it. It's not what we've done, it's what we might do, it's not where we've failed, it's where we might at last succeed, it's not the previous page in the book that holds the beauty and the hope, but the next page. You get the picture... Of course, like life, your decision might be influenced by what has happened, what you have read, before. But it's the looking forward, the hope that persists in us all.... That, indeed, keeps the flabby and extraordinary mass of humanity alive. Because without it, what's the point?" so tommorow I shall be looking forward, I shall be beleiving that things can change and I shall proove that I am alive. Take Care Rachel _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Corrections and Clarifications
by Madeleine McNeil 14 Feb '03

14 Feb '03

Hello All, Yeah! What Jim and Stefano said. And what Struan M says www.belleandsebastian.co.uk/home There's a great article here http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,894448,00.html about all the action that is taking place around the world. And there's a map of the Glasgow march route so anyone who fancies stalking B&S while doing their bit for world peace can pop along and follow the trail. Sadly, I can't go on the march this Saturday. My girl doesn't do crowds, so I have contented myself with signing a petition and joining the Stop the War Coalition here www.stopwar.org.uk/ Anyway, enough of all that. Happy Valentine's Day, you legion of bedroom saddo devotees. I trust you're all listening to Hefner and wearing black on the outside. I myself am breaking from the time honoured indie tradition of downing valium whilst listening to the first Suede album. Instead, I shall be meeting my girlfriend for a sweaty game of ping pong at the gym. I might read a bit of Oscar Wilde and think about BEAUTY and ART before that though, just to even it up. I've a point to correct the Llew on. She said: Don't trust Miss Maddie Minx for a second about her being busy with schoolwork. I know for a fact that whe she says "I have to spend all day on the computer typing my paper" she means "I have to spend all day being distracted from my paper by googling old boyfriends." Now, this is a COMPLETE lie. I only googled for ex boyfriends once. Twice. (And in the process, decided only to go out with people with unusual names in the future. Have you any idea how many people are called D***d L***s? Millions!). And I only did my stalker googling when I'd done like a whole hour of other work. So, take that back Laura Llew. And, of course, it was Mum's birthday yesterday. Happy Birthday Honey! Due to some minor confusion on my part, the real paper and ink card is still in my handbag, but I'll sort it out soon. I urge you all to do the same. Oh, and come back Honey. I miss you and your innocence ways. Who am I meant to corrupt now? Big rah rahs and congratulations to Mr and Mrs Ben and Rachel Apps. The photos are wonderful, though I am a little disappointed to see that Ben has dropped the habit of wearing Urban Decay glitter eyeshadow for big occasions. No content. But I'm not sorry. Much love, Madeleine _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons http://messenger.msn.co.uk +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: #absolutely nothin', say it again. HUH.# (get off yer arses sinister)..
by jim taylor 14 Feb '03

14 Feb '03

or is that a bit harsh? good to hear stefano has had plenty of emails back off list :) lazily stolen form the latest schnewsletter http://www.schnews.org.uk/ : "Why of course the people don't want war...But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they're being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger." -Hermann Goering, Nuremberg, 1946* * not that i'd dispute there is terrorist risk here in the UK, but it doesn't mean you have take the exact opposite position in how to successfully deal with it (such as challenging longstanding global inequalities, trading more fairly etc etc) and declaring war on an arab state. Ah, the wonders of logic. Especially other peoples'. Saddam might have some nasty weapons. IDEA: let's make him use them! CONTENT : sinipolitix last demo (sept) bapps-fruitloops matrimony sinsiterfitba + sinister football results SINIPOLITIX (a potential yahoo subgoup???) http://www.missprint.org/sinister/mhonarc/latest/msg00041.html says more than enough. stefano pulls no punches, and neither should he. Good on you Stefano. I started this email back at the start of the year. I've been busy, promise. At least somebody got round to mentioning it. it is strange. i could just send a blank email to the list, quoting my post back hmmmm when was it Sinister List Archive? :september http://www.missprint.org/sinister/mhonarc/200209/msg00076.html and ditto marks. + just put the new london demo meet up details. please view this as an unfortunate part two to that message. So has anything changed? well yes actually the world has changed in many ways. and i'm not sure i can think of a more tangible time to make a difference. To have seen the German foreign minister emotionally telling Rumsfeld he didn't feel able to deceive people in the same way as him was amazing. and very important. Daily developments are fascinating. Seems like *certain* european states have actually got the bottle to face up to the US and check out on or two more options before we, ahem, bomb the iraqi people to freedom... and hey i'm not being london, not even UK centric. London could allegedly be bigger than VE day. "Globally, February 15 will likely be the single largest day of protest in world history." see any of the 316 other cities (and that'll be way off by now, there's bound to be hundreds more @ http://unitedforpeace.org/article.php?id=725 which has many links) otherwise stretch your legs @ http://www.stopwar.org.uk/ for UK demo details or follow the links for wherever you need to go. There's even a demo @ McMurdo Station, Antarctica, so don't tell me you're anywhere harder to get to one or organise one. This really is so pivotal, you can almost hear the political machines of europe crunching as they shift gears, and desperately try and slap on the handbrake on the international juggernaught that people are gradually realising they have the power to stop. I had an argument (well not quite that, but) in the pub after football on friday with an ex-albanian hunger striker who'd apparently helped bring down their government. He felt that demonstrating in the UK or US would be pointless, which i found as much surprising as disappointing. Surely the last 3 days news is evidence of public opinion shifting european policy, which will in turn, make it harder + harder for the UK&US, maybe even just US to go it alone. Actions have consequences don't you know. For us, and our 'leaders'. I'm not sure people are making enough of this, but the possibility of things getting blocked at the UN security council are looking stronger to me. see http://www.un.org/Docs/scinfo.htm (ISN'T THE MODERN INTERWEB THINGY GREAT, SORRY, GRATE why that spelling please?) to understand how the vote works (or trust my understanding that you need 9 of 15 including all 5 permanent members (US,UK, Russ, Ch, Fr). Blair has said he still might play with his tanks if one of those 5 permanent vetoes, but has implied he wouldn't if more than one vetoed. Sini-folk in China, France, Russia... ? there must be some. Blair convinced me last week he believes he is doing the right thing, and is prepared to 'stick to his guns' (ahem), even if everyone else disagrees and he risks everything in terms of his power (and his party?). I believe however big things are on saturday, it *may* not shift him (though i think it still could), but crucially can influence other international leaders. It's easier for the French & Russians (as unlikely as some may argue that is, given their oil hungry nature + their pre-war iraqi contracts would become worthless with the 'new regime') to oppose Bush & Blair if they can say that the B's own people are against what they are doing. On not a lighter, but certainly very entertaining note, if you have a PC that can do sound, all you need is a 56Kmodem and the free Real player to watch if you missed it/again the Bremner Bird & Fortune special "Between Iraq and a Hard Place " http://www.channel4.com/news/home/z/special_reports/iraq_hard_place/index.ht ml It really is rather rather good. You can even download the programme's script LAST DEMO. Hmmm. well i got many mails of people, many of whom i'm confident will be out on saturday. Won't you? There was a lot of talk of how representative the ? 300,000 was in London in September... The sini-posse was only 3: myself, Stefano & Rachel, along with some other friends of mine. Was on one level disappointing. Apart from that it was a truly wonderful day and demonstration of what we felt. BAPPS-FRUITLOOP MATRIMONY i'm pasting this from the sinisterfitba list (apologies to them) "All should check out the Rapps/Bapps wedding site for the photos, the link was in ben's sinister post. the 1958 fa cup final man u shirt is evident in a kind of waistcoat stylee. My lady persuaded me not to turn up in my '82 European Cup villa shirt (so as not to take away from the groom). this also meant i didn't look very silly, in a ridiculously underdressed way, just relatively scruffy. i didn't know he was wearing a spiffing suit too! when asked if i minded if she added some colour to her hair m'lady got the same 'best not to detract form the bride' (joke) answer. i think if you've seen the snaps you'll know this wasn't possible :) Rach looked amazing, and ben too actually, very smart. how many hearts broke across the sinister world that day...? i also have a photo of ben drinking out of the bubble bath trophy that i showed you ken, and off course the Sinister card (aaaaaaah) pictures - nice! Delighted to say proceedings were halted again shortly after the best man's speech, for bappsy boy to explain about the card including 'the singer and chief songwriter of belle and sebastian's' message (and many our ours :) bless!" It really was a most marvellous day, and i was honoured to get the chance to go, and deliver the card so many had signed in London. What a couple of really excellent people. I'm spending lots of my life trying to organise an OT placement out there (LA) for a couple of months in April. Aside from the fact of being somewhere sunny, beautiful, seeing my lovely relatives and the lovely Bapps & Rapps, there is a small matter of the lovely lady i fell for last year. It would be nice to be on the same continent for a wee while. It would be nice to see how that worked. just to know. you know? Should have got her to enter the Reporter comp. would have got her over here at least. Congrats to big Stu, i'm sure it'll be a great experience for him. I should write a whole load more about the wedding. go see http://www.members.aol.com/benandrachelapps/weddinghome.html if you didn't before. I think there was a suggestion the card (or at least Struan's bit) should be scanned in for the archives?) FOOTBALL + FOOTBALL (PLAYING + PRETENDING NOT TO WATCH) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sinisterfitba is the home of london-ish sinister football playing, the season (good weather) is nigh :) please join us for fun & frolics, and yes you've guessed it, jumpers for goalposts. >"Kewell as a Cucumber" >It was nice to see Australia finally beat England at something other than >cricket, tennis... hmmmmmmmmm. well i suppose it must be harder following Bertie's boys for you lot form North of the border... >[Is it true that the Sun's headline was "Kanga Poo"?] my recent tube journey home did entail someone falling asleep with what i think was said evil rag on them, and it did indeed have that headline on the back. which reminds me of an incident at Uni yesterday. (i'm doing the Occupational Therapy training part time). In discussing disabilities (and whether it is the impairment or society that does that dis-abling), the lecturer asked something like 'how do we stop prejudice?'. Without thinking i chipped rather loudly 'Burn the Daily Mail'. (I'm sure i heard about a demo outside the newspaper very recently). Today I noted fellow studes reading + passing round said pinnacle of liberal grounded journalism. ho hum. i think this is far more than enough. if you made it this far, i thank you most kindly. If you happen to be in a position to dole out US visas, let me know. SO. SAT 15th FEBRUARY 2003. ARE YOU PART OF HISTORY? love jim PS isn't Ken a talented song swindler. First Ian's last year, now Ken's. Maybe i've missed other politco-corruptions too. PPS Happy belated honeybirthday PPPS oh yeah. (literal (quite literally) CONTENT!!!!!!!!) I'm told B&S are mentioned in a feature in the current London Time Out (Make Love not War 'loveheart' on the front). Not a lot, just Mick saying the usual about the Brits Award re B&S unknown/tabloids/etc. (article about the Awards). Will get a copy + post it if anybody wants? (apologies to any (like me) digestees, if this hits yr mailbox after saturday/too late. i will hand my work in on time in future.) +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: my honey's got miraculous technique
by kenneth.chu＠uclh.org 14 Feb '03

14 Feb '03

This morning I woke up at 5am, because I am a fool who thought going on holiday to the exotic east with 8 hour timezone difference is a good idea. So when I planned to get to work for 9:30pm I got rather ahead of myself. Although waking up early can sometimes be a bliss, at least I have time to get all the necessities done before going to work (e.g. going on the internet). Of course, I also got rather ahead of myself when I ranted about Redbuary the 14th, and also FABuary the 15th, when it's still only FebuHONEY the 13th! What a silly man I am. Happy Birthday Honeypea!!!!!! May the auntsadie be with you.... Ken ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted in it are confidential and intended solely for the person or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the UCLH Mail Administrator at mail.administrator(a)uclh.org. This footnote confirms that the email and attachments contained no viruses when they left UCLH. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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