>edinburgh picnic! i'm scared of beaches. and i'll end up with bits of
>gravel and beasties and stuff appearing on me for the next month... where's
>Braid Hills? Sorry, i've only lived near embra for a bit over 10 years...
>still don't know where anywhere is...
>have it in july! on my birthday! when i'll be 18!!! or maybe not cus its
>right before T in the Park. So whos comin to that then? the line up is *so*
>classy ths year, all my favourite peeps (bernard butler. garbage,
>spiritualised) and its not as if any of them are gonna bother playing here.
>bastards.
>last year i got one of the buses there and back each day and on the way
>back at night (on my own) the bus broke down and i got lost in the middle
>of nowhere. 'twas v. scary.
Debbie, didn't you say you lived in Liberton or something - cause Braid
hills is kind of right next to there, it's the hills behind Blackford hill
where the Royal Observatory is, Braid hills road runs between Alwnickhill
and pretty much Morningside road. I thought it'd make a nice place to go,
although I'm not altogether too sure cause it may be tricky getting people
there, or more tricky - getting them back, as I guess there aren't many
taxis passing there. So I guess Portobello Beach may be the best bet,
There's also Holyrood park, which is the most sensible option, but it's a
bit boring anyway. In any case, if we do go to the beach, we can build
sandcastles - really nice ones, and then later on we can just kick 'em all
down again in a sort of arty create-destroy-rebuild thing. Which is a bit
like the We plant the seed, nature grows the seed, we eat the seed thingy.
If anyone can make any suggestions about where to have one in Edinburgh
then please let me know. I suggest we have one pretty soon anyway, no point
hanging around - life's too short.
Who'd be interested in coming to an Edinburgh one anyway, lets assume
for arguments sake we do it in about a months time.
Incidentally, I had to post this letter cause MILLER cheated himself by
posting a letter to the list *about* the fact that I cheated. And
incidentally, it wasn't a :-) MILLER, it was a ;-) - a *wink*, that's right,
I once winked at a pastels gig.
Cheers,
Keith.
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>>> Janine Papp <janine(a)mute.com> 4 May 1998 15:50 >>>
>does anyone have any idea of what the book is that Judy reads in Judy
>and the dream of horses? Has anyone read the book featured on the
> cover of If You're Feeling Sinister?
I think the book on the cover is Kafka's "The Trial". I didn't read it but I saw
the movie (by Orson Welles, always impressive). It's about this guy who
gets sued, and he doesn't know what for, and the State, that is suing him,
don't know what they suing him for either. He fights it as much as he can,
and the end he gets convicted and killed (I think).
It's pretty senseless actually, the trial is probably a metaphor for Life,
where you get thrown into it without being consulted about it, get hassled
all the way through it, and in the end you're just condemned to die, never
knowing what for. That could be Kafka's view, I find it interesting as a good
description of the human situation, not to say everything is pointless but
rather to get people to ask the questions that need to be asked.
But enough serious thinking for this peaceful (not) afternoon on the Sinister
List :-))). Correct me if I'm wrong on any of that Kafka stuff - I didn't read
him so I probably am wrong...
I definitely don't think it's a good book for a nice girl like Judy to be reading
under the covers at night - it's depressive and scary. And there is *no way*
"The Trial" could produce a dream about horses! At least, not one you
would want to write a song about.
I suggest Judy was reading "The Black Stallion". Any (more imaginative)
suggestions?
I wish I had a (legal) copy of Tigermilk...
- Pedro
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Hello sinisterines,
I have a question, which I hope has not already been discussed on the list
before, as I have only been a subsriber for oh, a month or so, now... but I
looked at the FAQs and my friend who has been on the list for a while
assures me that he has not seen it discussed. so, here goes... does anyone
have any idea of what the book is that Judy reads in Judy and the dream of
horses? Has anyone read the book featured on the cover of If You're
Feeling Sinister?
Also... re: Tigermilk copies. I have bought everything available by Belle
and Sebastian, and even if I had a taped copy of Tigermilk, if it came out
later, legitimately on cd, I would still buy it. So I don't think it stops
people from buying the band's merchandise.
oh and one last little aside - my friend who is on the list, I'm going to
embarrass him for a moment by saying that I saw his band last night at
Brownies and they're really really good. They're called Hala Star. Do any
other listees have bands? (er, for you new yorkers, my band's playing this
fri. at mercury lounge in nyc - e-mail me for details). sorry for that
shameless plug. carry on now with business as usual.
Janine
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heeeeeeeey kids!!!
okay, so i've half tidied my room, i've rearranged my cds, i've made up a
tape (breaching copyright regs again. eek!) and i've stressed over my very
red hair disaster. So now its time to bore the pants of the sinister bunch!
yay!
but first: humph. another picnic today. and another one i can't go to. pah.
hate london. will vow never to go there EVER. *sulks*
edinburgh picnic! i'm scared of beaches. and i'll end up with bits of
gravel and beasties and stuff appearing on me for the next month... where's
Braid Hills? Sorry, i've only lived near embra for a bit over 10 years...
still don't know where anywhere is...
have it in july! on my birthday! when i'll be 18!!! or maybe not cus its
right before T in the Park. So whos comin to that then? the line up is *so*
classy ths year, all my favourite peeps (bernard butler. garbage,
spiritualised) and its not as if any of them are gonna bother playing here.
bastards.
last year i got one of the buses there and back each day and on the way
back at night (on my own) the bus broke down and i got lost in the middle
of nowhere. 'twas v. scary.
so, heres the question: do i go and see urusei yatsura on the 18th even
though i've got my last exam the next day? oh, they're such honeys... i
dunno. oh, and i have been listening to the new album for a while now, and
one of the lyrics is troubling me. i can't remember which song it is, but
does it really go "it's a century and its passing you by, watching Sunset
Beach" as in channel5 soap? suppose rrrrodddddennnnyy would be the best
person to ask about this...
ah, well, better get back to dylan thomas. bleugh. exam on wednesday.
love,
debbie xxx.
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>Bearing in mind we all accept that this list fills a gap in all our
>lives when we're bored stiff or haven't got any friends, who is the
>saddest of them all? Just for fun I looked at the archives and foudn
>out who's posted the most since August last year (based on number of
>messages and not size). Here we go:
>
>keith(a)qss.co.uk (283)
>pjmiller(a)arrakis.es + oc245d8aff(a)colon.net (264)
Hooray! I am clearly the winner, because Keith cheated once and sent in a
message consisting solely of ":-)" because people were walking out of
Pastels gigs in droves. This is punishable by having twenty messages removed
from your score.
>Aren't the top ten brilliantly predictable?! I thought this was
>great - Keith and Peter steam ahead in front, clearly having no
>friends. I'm embarrassingly antisocial too. I like the way some of
>them try to fool us by changing their email addresses.
Some kind of weighting system may be necessary here. Duke's rather weedy
showing is due to his enforced lay-off when someone caused him a rather
nasty groin injury by calling the Lovin' Spoonful "insipid cack".
>Sons of Showaddywaddy (10)
>
>Great last one there - I must go back and look at it in the archives.
ah yes, a classic. Let me think back to save you a trip to the
archives....Warren Oates plays for Luton, I once had to climb out of the
toilet window.....oh sod it, go and look at the archives.
Billy No Mates
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>continuing flak that we are taking regarding defending the bands rights
>re: Tigermilk Bootlegs we will be unsubscribing from the sinister list.
David,
>From the fans perspective (and I say fans perspective because I believe
the statistically significant majority of fans feel this way), it does
not sound like you, Katrina, or Jeepster are attempting to secure band
rights in any way.
It appears more like your camp is following a political agenda by
claiming the bands legal rights.
That is my impression. If I am wrong, I sincerely apologize, but I'm
sure many of my fellow fans (especially those who do not own Tigermilk)
feel the same way.
Many analogies can be made to a class struggle. There were very few
Tigermilks made and only the most priveleged own them (some more than
one). People are allowed to own arguably inferior cassette copies of
the recording, but the original becomes nothing more than an
un-obtainable dream.
Some people challenge the idea that they can own only a cassette copy
and pursue a better facsimile (that technology now allows). Jeepster
puts them in their lower-class places by claiming legal authority over
the matter.
I don't think the band cares that random people on the list would make
CD-R copies of their first recording. If it was that important to them
that people buy the original, they would re-release it. (I distinctly
remember one of the band members during the chat claiming that it
wouldn't bother him even if a larger scale bootlegging operation were to
occur.)
I also don't think Jeepster has a legal authority over Tigermilk.
Either Electric Honey or the band do. Of course either could allow
Jeepster's pursuit of legal action on behalf of themselves, but I don't
think they would particularly care if one fan were to make a copy.
Third, if it were to come to legal action (at least in the United
States), one could claim "Fair Use". That is, since Tigermilk is out of
print (unobtainable) and one is using the recording for a literary,
scientific, cultural, or artistic use, copywrite laws allow a personal
copies by individuals who aren't attempting sale or profit. Since most
of our laws come from England, I'm sure the same holds in the UK.
Also, Jeepster attempting legal action sounds to me a lot like "bark
bigger than bite" syndrome. Even if Jeepster hand such funds to take on
such court battles, the idea of a fan making a personal copy (i.e. not a
grand bootlegging operation) would be laughed out of court in the US.
And it is VERY easy to sue someone in the US.
Matt
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This Tigermilk debate seems to have escalated rather horrifically.
A couple of points I'd like to add:
The arguments (from digest 3/5/98) all seem to have been directed rather
personally at David and Katrina. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Katrina
merely an employee of Jeepster? I would doubt that either she or David are
directly or solely responsible for the labels position on the bootlegging
matter. Personally, I would have preferred a form letter to Sinister list
types to say 'we're overlooking taping of Tigermilk, but we'd rather you
didn't burn it onto cd or, more specifically, offer cd copies to others.'
(Where does everybody else think they should draw the line?) The thing is,
there seems to be increasing bootlegging of Tigermilk from all quarters, so
Jeepster clearly reckon the only way to try to control it is with the 'ton
of bricks' approach. Possibly since they're so sick to death of the whole
issue anyway.
Since it rears its head so often, I would also assume that Jeepster have
contacted the band about this, so their opinion would concur somewhat with
what the owners of the music feel. Whatever, the whole episode seems to
have taken an unpleasant turn with bad feelings on several fronts.
It's only a bloody record after all.
joss (hoping to return to the land of the lurkers)
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I hate belle and sebastian, they are bastards. First they lured me into
their trap with songs such as Judy and her dream of horses and stars of
track and feild. Then when they had trapped I was stuck there was no way
out. The sweet tunes had made me an addict. I want more and more and more
but hey no Tiger Milk. So where does that leave me? at home on my be
listening to Mayfly. God why did they have to pry on me?? Today I am
nothing more than a Belle And Seb Junky.
Junky John
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> Euan Leitch
>
> i've just come in from watching the sunset over a few beers and telling
> people about how nice the sinister list is. buit now the sky has fallen
> down.
A wonderful ink polaroid comes to mind.... Sitting in some mud-walled jail
cell, bowels gurgling, hearing "Judy and the dream of horses" strain out
from beyond the door, echoing down corridors. Could bring some peace to a
sad situation.
Chrispy
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would anyone be interested in copying the camera obscura record for a trade?
i'm desperately seeking a copy of it. write back to me personally please.
thanks
ciao
y
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