Any of the Edinburgh list people fancy a pint on say Thursday night...
There's still a few of us to meet
Mail back.
Cheers,
Keith.
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At 03:28 PM 2/1/98 +0000, you wrote:
>we should be using all this we get from these records, making everyone
laugh (like Peter and
>Susannah), writing witty little anecdotes about their lives (like
>Genevieve), or making films, getting together, forming bands, opening
>clubs, launching plans for an international pop underground magazine.
Well, er, now that you mention it, I thought it would be a good time to
ask: I'm a visiting Yank who's in the London area for two weeks (more next
week than this, really), and I'd love to meet some of you all. Anybody up
for a pub run of some sort? Or can anybody send some recommendations of
good pubs/shows for an indie rocker like myself in the next two weeks?
P.S. to Tag: Sorry about that. Meant to hit reply all instead of reply.
Andrew
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The Duke of Harringay wrote ...
>maybe we can get our collective shit together and make, as tag suggests,
>a magazine of the international pop underground (taking a cue from K
>there...),
I'm afraid this name is occupied by the Stockholm collective involving "The
International Pop Underground" showcases and free fanzines ... furthermore,
there is a mailing list using the same name ... how about some originality ?
>and maybe we can tell some kind of truth about the story of
>belle & Sebastian, and maybe someone will care. i dunno.
Dunno either ...
>Tag said he was listening to McCarthy, so i've just put on I Am A
>Wallet, and yes it is exciting, magical Pop.
And yes ... you've missed the name for the potential fanzine, namely "The
International Narcotics Traffic" by McCarthy. §;^D
Music that could take you
And your mind to a new sphere
These our chiming chords
Could take us both away from here
The beat of the drums lifts off your head
The bass is shaking off your cares
On it goes you are carried away
On a sea of sound
On and on to an ecstasy (... ehrm ...)
On a sea of sound
The beat of the drums lifts off your head
The bass is shaking of your cares
Up, up and away
On the beautiful tune
In each verse excitement is built
To a new pitch
Cymbals crash and with frenzied guitars
He wildly sings
The beat of the drums lifts off your head
The bass is shaking of your cares
Apologies for the lack of emotion and thoughtfulness ... must be the cold
medium.
You could always choose "Pocketbook Angel" given an appropriately formated
fanzine ...
On now: _Silly songs for cynical people_ - Would Be's
Andreas
The rain it raineth on the just
And also on the unjust fella
But more upon the just because
The unjust steals the just's umbrella
(Charles Baron Bowen)
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Hello Lovers,
It's Sunday morning. I don't remember the last time I was awake on a
Sunday morning. It's this mad, mad hedonistic lifestyle I lead. The
cats are fighting a lot. Is there a full moon?
Belle and Sebastian playing Sunday morning songs (String Bean Jean, in
fact) on the dansette. Lights! Camera! Action!
David Walker wrote:
>Has a Northern Soul night started at the Star & Garter ? Is it still on
>and is it any good ? Just noticed it on a poster somewhere the other day
>and it got me thinking.....
I don't know - tell me if you find out.
Alan wrote:
>bless....
Bless? Bless? You scroll down and down through someone else's letter
in it's entirety expecting to see some incisive reply, and you get
'Bless'. It's all a horrible, horrible dream and I'm going to wake up
soon. No? ... it's real? There is no God.
Peter Miller wrote:
>And then there's "My Sister" by Tinkersticks, which I think is really really
>good, and I imagine more of a direct influence on Belle and Sebastian's
>talking efforts. Which I still haven't heard. Another good one with talking
>on is "Cherry Blossoms" (?), which is my favourite Tinkersticks song, don't
>know what it's about though.
My favourite Tindersticks song is their Nancy and Lee tribute 'A
marriage made in heaven', although it sounds more like Nick Cave and
Clare Grogan than N&L. I wonder what happened to the Isabella
Rosselini version. Don't all write at once. But I love a good duet,
being the big soppy pussycat that I am ... big favourites are 'Some
velvet morning' and 'Je t'aime'. I put these songs on tape for an
old girlfriend and she said 'Do you like men to be men, and women to
be women?'. Dr Freud, is it true?
'Islands in the stream' by Kenny and Dolly, that's a good one.
Teenage Fanclub used to do that one, and me and a friend wanted to
record a version ourselves, the record company man just laughed. It
would've been great, with my butch baritone and her Swedish accent. I
like Dolly, she's a fine fine woman. Has anyone heard the story about
Dolly Parton sitting in a car in a parking lot for 48 hours without
noticing. I do hope drugs weren't involved. I defy anyone not to cry
real tears hwen they listen to 'Daddy, come and get me', in which poor
Dolly has been dumped in the nuthouse by her philandering husband. It
starts off 'In this mental institution...' and goes uphill from there.
Genevieve wrote:
>I don't understand this 'mad' reputation I have,I make sense in my posts.I
>am not crazy,just in love.
That's what *I* keep saying, nobody believes me. But the kids
understand. They always do.
>Sadly,nobody appear in boxes...but it could be the canadian postal
>system...speediest around,you know...
When one arrives, don't open it with a sharp implement. It happened
to Waldo Jeffers, it could happen to anyone.
Megan wrote>
>um, i don't know if i should be writing at night. i try to make my posts
>somewhat pertinent, but i'd like to encourage all of you who only want b&s
>info to delete my posts in the future, cause i plan on going for the silly
>and entirely irrelevant info in the future. oh, to dream the impossible
>dream.
I hope everyone else will make it their February resolution to take a
leaf out of Megan's book and make it their personal mission to amuse,
entertain and excite in the future. Because if I read another
dull-witted post repeating tedious facts that another 50 listees have
also posted, I will kill, or at least maim.
But I love you nevertheless.
Tag xxx
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Dear Sinister peeps,
Hello!
I recommend a snowshow workout to anybody! When I started out I was falling
behind,then one after another I was telling off things and soon I was
kicking the snow through the air..it was wonderful...and my you
change,befoer it was all praise Arab Strap and now it's kick him till he dies.
>From: susannah <susannah(a)tormentor.clara.net>
>Subject: Sinister: Whats the difference between Clinton and the Titanic?
Only 200 people went down on the Titanic
I love Bill Clinton.
>Genevieve your crown is under threat so get your madcap hat on and repeat after
>me:
>'I love you fishcake boy, your elbows are so like , um how do I say? pointy
>pointy .'
I don't understand this 'mad' reputation I have,I make sense in my posts.I
am not crazy,just in love.Anyways,i like wearing flowers instead of crowns!
Who is the fishcake boy? I know a Reptilian Man,he tried to touch my
eyelids..and you know why? His friend told him it's a big turn-on for
women.As I get my eye poked out!Ooh...sexy! Anyways..I'm with Tag,I think
pervy lyrics are funny..most of the time I don't even understand them though
and i get a jab in the side and a 'YOU CAN'T SAY THAT HERE!'
Anyways,I was crying so much yesterday I think I was howling,I scared the
cats anyways,I scared myself too! So to cheer myself up I put on The Labyrinth.
"You remind me of the babe."
"What babe?"
"The babe with the POWER!"
"What power?"
"Power...VOODOO!"
"Who,you?"
"You do."
"Do what?
"Remind me of the babe!"
I wonder,does David Bowie look back at this and wonder? Anyways,I love this
movie..sorry no pointy fishcake boy...but that's a real gem,well maybe not
to just anybody,but if you know the movie,just picture Jareth with his crop
and jodpurrrs going 'The babe with the power!'to the goblin and then
breaking into song!lovely lovely....
you all never answer my questions,are there any Belle & Sebby tshirts left?
Well,I probably wouldnt' get one anyways,by the time you change the money
into brit pounds...I think I will make my own,with sequins!
dance magic dance,jump magic jump
work that baby spell on me....
Genevieve xoxo
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Hey List
> Ricky Tikki Tavi Northy wrote:
>
> >I ordered my poster on Monday and got it on Wednesday so the people
> >at VinylTap are pretty quick.
> >
> >Poster is brill and hanging up as the pride of my room but it does
> >come folded and not in a proper poster sender so it has crease marks
> >:(
>
> Oh, god! That's just awful. Can we all rally round? A benefit gig,
> something like that.
*Here it is* The one time I have ever laughed out loud at an email
message. And I am not being sarcastic!
Well done Tag (hey what happened to protecting me from the nasty list
members!)
> Fat Scottish blokes are bastards aren't they? Should have slaughtered
> the lot of them at Culloden.
Yup.
> With my life, if necessary
Oh! There it is! Thanx man!
> Fuck, I missed the Simpsons.
I watch the Simpsons sometimes twice a day and I never get bored of
it!
I also love patronising my friends who only have "BBC2 Simpsons"
by quoting endlessly from the newer (and better ones)
he...he...he.
Peace people!
Northy
Hows about a BESEEN chat on one the Belle and Sebastian page?
They are great!
________________________________________________
get up
turn light on
take gown
don gown
look inside pocket
take analgesic
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A few small things:
Andreas wrote:
>I thought I'd mention that the complete
>Claim output suits a C60 cassette perfectly, but you could also compile a
>C90 cassette adding some early Hurrah! stuff for the clever listees
>pursueing your generous offer ...
I fear you may be missing a few of the Claim's masterpieces, Andreas. The
two and a half LPs and several singles would take at leat a ninety and a
half to get through...Let me know what you've got and I'll fill in the
gaps:-)
But you are right in saying that the Claim were unassailably brilliant and
anyone who hasn't heard their perfect pop cocktail should take the Duke or
me up on an offer of a tape sample thereof...
Peter wrote on the subject of speaky pop:
>Another one I'd forgotten is Isaac Hayes, who often talks about "ladies" or
>whatever for quite a while, before bursting into song
Yes! his version of 'By The Time I Get To Phoenix' is cool, but for a
special treat, seek out 'Good Love 69-969':
'I'm listed in the yellow pages all around the world,
Got thirty years' experience of lovin' sweet young girls...'
Oh, the old dog...
Southern (ish...) soul is a great place for talkover classics, though. Of
course, there are the famous Millie Jackson monologues, but Irma Thomas's
brilliant 'Coming From Behind' trumps her big-style. Interested parties let
me know for yet more tape action.
And Northy wrote...
>When I was unpopular on this list I asked everyone what film they
>though would suit a Belle and Sebastian song soundtrack.
>Thanks to some heavy promotional work from Tag I am now fairly famous
>on the list so I will ask it again.
Northy, perhaps you could write a story of your relationship to the members
of this list? I'm sure Tag will help you, if you haven't blotted your
copybook with off-the -beam Spice Girls mails...
Kim, saving my mail from being entirely off-topic, wrote:
>does anyone else happen to hear a zipper being zipped at the beginning of
>"expectations"?
I asked exactly the same question of 'King' Andy Dean, who assures me that
it is truly on the vinyl and not the sound of his record deck lid being
closed, as I had suspected... Hope this helps.
Ta ra.
Tim
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i always hate first e.mails to mailing lists. you come across all naive and stupid because you
don't know the protocol and jargon. but i've never been in a mailing list as - well -
argumentative as this one! i don't mean bickering but everytime i check my e.mail i have about
five new messages - makes me look dead popular as well. and i must admit its rather fun. on the
XTC list, people tend to just dream about new recordings, on the flying nun one i get
frustrated cos i'll never be able to track down the arsing stuff but here each e.mail seems to
be genuinely interesting discussing the musical underbelly of the uk. here at loughborough
music is still in the oasis/prodigy predictable glut so its a refreshing change to have all
this discussion about bands like ultrasound and mogwai and the beloved b&s who will be shaping
the music world for years to come, when people have finally realised the vacuity of the
brothers gallagher. to me "if you're feeling sinister" had the effect on first listening that i
imagine a listener thirty odd years ago would have had first listening to someone like nick
drake. in many ways he's as influential in the world of music now as ever, name dropped all
over the place. belle and sebastian have that air of unprecious naturally polished jewel that,
just because it isn't big and obvious isn't appreciated by the masses. but neither should it
be. i admit i do tend to choose my favourite bands from their rating as undiscovered classic,
obscure type categories. but good music is good music. you may like arab strap (i found it a
little - er - wilfully amateur for amateur's sake, but i'm sure they were fully aware of that)
or the manics (too earnest for me , but hey they covered 'taking teh skin heads bowling' so we
know they have some sense of humour) or the beegees as far as i care. i'll even let some people
off for liking oasis (only just though) but whatever belle and sebastian are to me, unlike any
other band out there. i played the album once and knew i will be playing it for as long as i
have arms to press the button marked play and ears to hear it. and that surely is teh mark of
good music.
before you all write and ask me what the hell i'm on about, i'd just like to say i'm not really
sure. but hey. let me off. i'm new. thanks for making life at loughborough a little more
interesting with your discussions at any rate. i think i'll be happy here as it were.
i'll stop rambling now and go.
chris browning
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Hooray! Somebody else has had a list dream!! I must reveal that ol'
HoneyChile himself appeared in my dream and he was NEITHER hideous NOR
one-legged NOR in anyway a dwarf. (PC note - not that there's anything
wrong with any of the above). But I couldn't write about it quite like
Nick could (marvellous stuff). What was the film??
Send in your baby pictures coz I was the only person vane enough to
already have one scanned and ready to roll. I'm giving a kind of a black
panther salute (even as a toddler I was very politically motivated) and
Tag, I would consider it an honour to electronically appear next to your
naked Hebridean adventure shots. This collection could be the start of
our collaborative project - a social history documentary charting all
our development as fans of the greatest band around...
john
>----------
>From: Nick
>Dastoor/BSHO/GB[SMTP:Nick_Dastoor/BSHO/GB%BSHO@notesgw.compuserve.com]
>Sent: 02 Feb 1998 15:04
>To: sinister
>Subject: Sinister: Will this do?
>
>David, an idea for a B&S competition: How about "Guess the future of Belle
>and
>Sebastian" in a kind of clairvoyant 'rock biog' way? Potted histories only
>of
>course.
>
>Sarah wrote:
>>And will someone tell em why my messages keep coming through with shite
>>like =20 on them al the time? Cos they are doing my tree. I never get
>>any numbers right!
>
>Hmmm.. I think pound signs are the main stumbling block. I expect there's
>some
>clever answer to do with ASCII conversion protocols or something. Let's have
>a
>go: ??????
>
>>Are they like censorship? Like '=46uck'?????
>
>No, but a friend who works at a revolting financial institution has all her
>e-mail vetted in a wonderfully draconian way. If you send her a message with
>a
>rude word in it gets bounced back at you. Astonishingly, the list of banned
>words extends to 'bottom', which can obviously be used in really quite
>legitimate senses. Reminds me of the nanny web software that banned access
>to
>a site about the town Scunthorpe (work it out).
>
>Megan wrote:
>>also, _don't_look_back, the
>>documentary about bob dylan is showing at the film forum in new york. is
>>it worth seeing for someone who isn't terribly interested in him as a
>>singer?
>
>Well I saw it on telly a while before buying any of his records and enjoyed
>it. Particularly memorable was the scene in which he was very rude to a
>bunch
>of earnest young fans that was mobbing him and asking why why why had he sold
>out to the evils of amplified guitars. What musical direction could Belle &
>Sebastian take that would engender such hostilty? I realise that for some of
>you they got in early with "Electronic Rennaisance" but bearing in mind that
>they haven't repeated that particular trick... Or all we all eclectic now?
>
>That dubiously titled fellow wrote:
>>I'm talking of Devine & Statton, one of the first names that came to my
>>mind after listening to BandS.
>>Is it me, or they (and their former band Young Marble Giants) were/are
>>inspirational for many bands?
>
><sigh> Devine and Statton's "Under the Weather" is a dream. A nasty dream,
>mind you, unpleasant enough for me not to be able to put in on any tape I
>ever
>made for my girlfriend, in case she took it personally. A perennial problem
>that. Talking of dreams, I had my B&S dream the other night. Well, to be
>precise it was a rather embarrassing B&S mailing list dream. In it, I
>somehow
>ended up offering to let Paedophile Paul (poor boy's gone a bit quiet since
>the
>great baby picture scandal shit hit the fan) stay at my house for a while.
>It
>turned out he was a hideous one-legged dwarf (I kid you not) but I tried to
>disguise my shock and take him out on the town, go shopping and stuff. It
>reminded me of having to do the same with my french exchange partner many
>moons
>ago. Not that he was a one-legged dwarf or anything. But he did have
>dandruff.
>
>Tag wrote:
>>we should be using all
>>this we get from these records, making everyone laugh (like Peter and
>>Susannah), writing witty little anecdotes about their lives (like
>>Genevieve), or making films, getting together, forming bands, opening
>>clubs, launching plans for an international pop underground magazine.
>>Otherwise the rest of the world has every right to call us a bunch of
>>fucking losers.
>
>I'll defend their right to do so till my dying day. But yeah - anyone want
>make a film or form a band with me? Or does it not work like that? How
>perfect the story is of Belle & Sebastian all meeting that cafe one night?
>Ranks up there with Johnny Marr pressing his chocolatey nose up to that odd
>kid
>from Stretford's window, or that fateful church bazaar (hey!) encounter
>between
>Lennon & McCartney. I dream of such things. At our school the only people
>who
>formed bands were rubbish and into Eric Clapton. By university it was even
>worse - the people with guitars were into things like Fretblanket. Never
>stumbled across any kindred spirits with musical pretensions. Perhaps I
>should
>hang out at more church functions. Anyway, forming a band at university is
>never a good move, is it? Can anyone think of a good exception?
>
>As for making films, well I _have_ already acted in one (show off alert!) and
>a
>TV series. It's always good having one claim to fame, although the thought of
>peaking at the age of 13 is a little depressing. Look me up in the IMDB (my
>surname's only had one 'o' in it then). But yes, actually properly making
>films would be a whole different thing. Which reminds me, did Susannah ever
>develop her fantastic attempts to mock up all the B&S covers with a
>self-timer
>camera?
>
>Phew,
>Nick
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-----Original Message-----
De: susannah <susannah(a)tormentor.clara.net>
Para: B&S <sinister(a)majordomo.net>
Fecha: lunes 2 de febrero de 1998 1:36
Asunto: Re: Sinister: to dream the impossible dream
Ian Botham wrote:
>
>2) Then I'm going to go from Lands End to John O'Groats doing forward rolls
like
>that Indian bloke once did, except instead of saying funny mantras I'll be
>chanting 'we were sitting on the sofa the wrong way round' over and over
again.
>
Excellent idea, Ian, and very much in keeping with the general tone of
Sunday's messages. Robert, Alistair and David remind me of a cross between
the Why Don't You Gang and a man whose enthusiasm for all things pop enabled
him to buy a farm and go horse-riding whenever he feels like it, top Radio
One disc jockey Simon Bates. "It's very easy to criticise, not always quite
so easy to find something positive to say", as Batesy used to say about the
much-missed Poll Tax. Not to mention my own dear mother, whose catch phrase
used to be "Why don't you make your own entertainment?" Nowadays she says,
"Just as long as you're getting paid".
Richard, it's not nice to call Porky Spice a "fat ugly whore" like that.
She's a very nice young lady whose mother is from Huesca. And she's getting
married to someone from Manchester United, a regular Busby Babe.
As far as being inspired to go do something a little less boring instead
goes, a long time ago some friends and myself had the bright idea of writing
a fanzine. It was going to be great, it was going to have a top ten clubbers
feature, we even got round to doing excruciatingly embarrassing interviews
with top pop stars such as the charming Throwing Muses and kindly uncles and
aunties of Sonic Youth. It was really good, I thoroughly enjoyed it and
thought "what a great way to spend your time" but then everything went
horribly wrong. Some of our correspondents were dispatched to the gruesome
opium den of the Spacemen 3 dressing room, hoping to get some illumination
from some of the greatest minds in the late eighties indie rock
galaxy......"Mister Boom, if you were a pizza, what flavour pizza would you
be?"...... About five fragrant minutes later Sonic spoke...."That's
a.....stupid question." End of interview. End of fanzine. End of enthusiasm.
I do like Sonic Boom though. Very entertaining fellow, should be on all the
chat shows.
Peter
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