-----Original Message----- From: duke of harringay [SMTP:tangent@mail.zynet.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 1997 10:11 AM To: sinister@majordomo.net Subject: Re: Sinister: why this is important? >but you won't be moved by it so much if you hear it on the 'populist' radio because it's no longer difficult to find. I maintain that part of the beauty of the musics that 'we' like is the relative obscurity, the fact that actually we probably have to work pretty hard to get it, find it, whatever. If it's easy we often just don't bother. I don't mean this to sound snobbish or whatever, it's just more to do with the thrill of the expedition than the discovery itself. (and i'm generalising of course!) I do know what you mean about this but I think that there's a lot to be said for straightahead commercial pop music as entertainment. It's just a different kind of pop thrill to the one you get when you find some unheard of gem and set out to tell the world about it. I love that latest Janet Jackson single, for example, but to expect it to mean to me what 'Expectations' does is like asking Coronation Street to be The Graduate or something. Different fun. But yeah, as Tom waits once said, the obsession's in the chasing and not the apprehending... ah, but this is what i found so special about B&S, the very fact that i'd kind of given up hoping that such music WOULD affect me in this way. Me too. I genuinely believed I had grown too old and fat and cynical and so the pleasure in finding Belle and Sebastian was immense. And so I also end up transferring to them my hopes and dreams for the perfect pop group. A pop group who can inspire the kind of creativity which the Sex Pistols did. As I said in my previous post, this is probably unfair and expecting too much. But, BUT, I know how far pop music has inspired me to look at my own life as something more than time to be filled in before it all ends, I know how far pop has helped me to try to be creative in the way I act and think and feel. And I know that pop can do this on a massive scale (it just so happens that most of the bands which did these things for me happen to have been deep, deep underground). And I think that B&S have the potential to be such a band. Which is why I'm desperate to see them do everything they can to take that chance, to make it happen. And that definitely means finding a new way to deal with the music industry which flattens and deadens its product, inevitably aims at the existing mainstream. And writing all this I'm reminded of The Pop Group's 'We Are All Prostitutes', and find myself hoping once again that this is where despair stops and tactics begin. > but i think that 'selling out' would be to start giving concessions to the media and record company bosses, not spreading the word and getting people to buy their records. Totally... > I think Tim misunderstood Oops:-) about what i said about Tigermilk too, i was saying that i could SEE that happening, not that i wanted it to. I was kind of being cynical, assuming, unkindly perhaps, that b&s will end up like our other hopes, capitulating to the record company whims and wishes. And assuming unduly i hope... Me too. And there I go just taking things to literally again. Sorry, dukester. I should have known better. again, sorry for the length of this one folks. Or the two folks that read it. Hi Tim. Alright fella? 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