i don't have much to say but heres what i do: Music is 70% subjective and 30% objective nothing outside of our own little heads can be completely subjective says i music is certainly mostly about what you enjoy but there is such a thing as good music and bad music to a point i dont really claim to know how to judge it except by instinct (i may dislike some kinds of music but for most of it i can appreciate it as good or bad based on what i learned in music classes which i attended when i didnt oversleep i spose the way you choose to judge is subjective which sort of makes everything i say meaningless but i dont mind being meaningless so i guess ill continue i mean if someone is playing a, c, and g chords and screaming and banging their heads on drums in straight quarter notes and just hitting the strings on their bass with no particular reason, its pretty safe to say that is bad music, stupid music, perhaps you enjoy stupid loud music but that doesnt make it good as far as im concerned, and if you're pushing some buttons that give you 3000000 beats per minute and another one that makes a funy noise at the down beat and another that makes another funny noise at the up beat that aint no good music its silly and painful and evil you may like inducing a brain hemerage (sp) dont make it good music for me it pretty much boils down to two factors: 1)how one uses what one has, if you have an acordian and play it like the chick in Revenge Of The Nerds then you suck, but if you use it in a godly manner as did Saint Astor Pizzolo then you should be worshipped for your almighty powers 2)what you intend to do with what you have and whether or not its successfull, if you're trying to be simple to express something or droning to represent a mood or whatever then thats perty cool assuming it works 1 alone would leave me an annoying jazz and such snob and i cant be that cause i like to bop around to bouncy fairly simple music, and 2 alone would leave me accepting hip hop and pop shlop dumbasses and icky gooey people as good which i just cant do there are sub categories lik: is it inventive, but that doesnt mean that only the first band to do something is good, and is it creative (did the person not just poop it out was it conscious to a point or was there some magical power at work that made it spiffy) as for having good taste, i use that term way too much, good taste goes so far and then educated uneducated taste comes in, there are really spiffy people who like wunnerful music on instinct without knowing that the song is a chaccone (i love that word) or has a wacky time signature or something along those lines and a lot of the time i wish i was still like that, it was simpler and i didnt get as defensive about music as i do now and then there are people who dont know that and have bad taste in music and listen to evil things becaus ethey dont know what they're hearing thats just sort of ignorance then there are people who learn all the theory and what not and still like crap and thats bad or something i hope at least some of this made sense, god its long, there was more i was gonna say but no one will want to read it so i wont bother oh if anyone thought this was sposed to be some all encompassing i know how to judge music so if you dont do it this way you suck thing and it sounded like it i apologize it wasnt sposed to, though this seems the best way to me ----ev np-Eggs-Teenbeat 96 Exploder (definitely good music once it hits, though im sure not for everyone) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo@majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+