Thought that as an official shy guy I should get in on this topic of how we should get with women that we like. I have to say I really don't know how it's done and I have never in my life chatted up a woman or even thought seriously about trying it. I wouldn't know where to begin and I know that I'd just make an absolute fool of myself. I am however a pretty friendly guy and I've found that on the rare occaisions when I do talk to women (in classes or if I'm introduced by a mutual friend are about the only times) I usually get on well with them. This usually leads to one of 2 things. Sometimes I have a new friend and though I'd often like to be more than friends I do appreciate these friendships. Sometimes however the woman im talking to grabs me and starts kissing me!(what can I say...I guess some people are a lot less shy than me) Now this is my point, I'm a pretty ugly guy and quite socially inept but this sort of thing still happens to me. My advice to the legions of the shy...just be yourself (god what a cliche) and you'll find that women (or men I suppose) who like you will come your way and you'll get lots of new friends who maybe will introduce you to others that may like you (or maybe as happened to me they'll give you a copy of tigermilk (wow a bit of B&S content)) I guess that's all i really want to say....sorry for taking up your time with my pathetic observations. Oh and hi to Rob....nice to know there's another sunderland fan in here. have a good one and have one for me owen With that the narrow wizard waggled his bushy eyebrows and disappeared in a flash of blue flame leaving behind only a faint smell of cinnamon +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister@majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo@majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+