Hmmm, What kind of people are you people meeting? I've always found this woe is me attitude an excuse to avoid meeting and introducing yourself to other people. Your mantra seems to be - I will become a paranoid insular freak before I put myself on the line and try and break through the impenetrable stuffy attitude of the "other indie hipsters". What type of mantra is this? Are you growing as an individual or an introvert? These types of e-mail are based on fear more so than one-dimensional prototype indie-kids. We would all like to believe that all those people who appear cooler and cliquey are, but I bet you any money those people get their hearts broken and their feelings stamped on and are haunted by as many insecurities as you. I was thrust into the same clique mentality not by myself but by sniveling losers who had more time to mope around and pick out other people than work on their own insecurities. You people complaining seem to have a lot of cyber courage why not exercise it on the outside world. If you don't want these people as your friends and have already pasted pre-conceived one-dimension personalities on these "indie cliques" then why are you bothering to worry about them? Obviously you don't respect their lifestyle and musical ethics and as such it would be easier to ignore what doesn't appeal to you rather than rambling on in a quasi good vs. evil fashion. As for a lack of diversity, where do you live? And by what measure are we speaking of diversity, as in race? Let's face it indie music has very little monetary power and therefore very little exposure, it has a cult following. Every heard of payola? It sort of runs the music industry. The indie surge of 93-96 is long past us and few indie bands are garnering any type of press outside of Europe and Japan. You have to respect that it takes a little more work as a musical aficionado to uncover indie music. This does not mean it is better and I know many people on this list are burning cd's for their peers who aren't in the "indie" know trying to expose some of this beautiful music. These type of protective e-mails startle me. You have made a firm decision to not include yourself in a sub-culture which is fine but why is it anyone's responsibility to explain that which you don't respect? Scenes are fascinating in their social and psychological dynamics. I have never ever not spoken to someone based on their clothing or clean hair, I myself prefer new clothing and clean hair. My scene is made up of glam, punk, rockabilly, mods, goths, rockers, brit-poppers, indie kids, fashionistas, jocks and college kids. There is no bizarre fascist allegiance with any of these people, that is purely the invention of someone who is extremely paranoid. Just because we like the same music doesn't mean we're always going to click as people but why are you taking that personally? A lot more goes into an individual then just the club they frequent, the clothes they wear and the music they collect. Of course there are people I don't get along with but it certainly hasn't been because they can't match my collection of 7"'s! What do you expect to find at indie rock shows exactly besides fans? You can't ship people from other sub-cultures in against their will...although it would be quite humorous. People who "party" aren't going to see Tahiti 80 live anymore than I'm going to run out and endure their scene, but at least I have tried. Chris --Extraordinary how potent cheap music is-- ***Noel Coward***
From: Thefoxxinthesnow@aol.com Reply-To: Thefoxxinthesnow@aol.com To: sinister@missprint.org Subject: Sinister: important "indie" rantings Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:46:41 EDT
hello there. for quite some time i've been a lurker, but i feel now the time is more important than ever to write, not for any particular reason other than to question the whole indie scene (thus encompassing an entire scary subculture).
don't get me wrong, i listen to indie music. but if you saw me you might not think it. i work at (gasp! a corporation) banana republic, and i like my hair to look washed (because it is). i like to consider myself a purist; i don't listen to belle to belong to some strange and snobbish subculture but instead for the music, plain and simple.
the indie-rock scene lacks diversity. go to any concert of any other genre and you'll find some many "types" of people, people who have joined with a similar love for music. go to an indie rock show and you'll only find indie rock people. so silly. people who will only talk to you if you look like you love the music (?!)
based on my own experiences at indie rock concerts i can conclude that the indie rock scene is pretentious, fake, and breeds snobby, judgmental people. the music of the indie rock scene is supposed to contain more beauty, to have more meaning to the people who listen to it than fans of other types of non-indie music yet indie music fans can only turn and judge another person on how vintage their clothing is.... explain how that makes the indie music scene more mature and enlightened than any other.
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