well, hmmmmmm, interesting use of belle and seb mailing list - to rant uneducatedly and offensively about israel. i'n sorry, mr. david, but your views are utterly disgraceful and that's a personal opinion just like yours, but i think i won't be upsetting anyone with that stance, like you have just upset me and many others, i would think. listen - i am jewish and quite far from being a fervent zionist. BUT, there is are at least 6 million massive reasons for the state to exist and to say that you wish for israel to be flattened is a personal insult to every single racial minority, not just jews, who have suffred persecution. as you sit in your little white-boy ivory tower, having never had to fear for your life at the hands primitive mobs (with views like those you have expressed tonite), i don't think you understand at all. every single palestinian can run to another arab state if they need to, although they should never have to and if they feel they do then i agree that the israeli government should sort itself out, but jews have only one safe haven. yes, some of the israeli defence forces' actions are grossly over-violent, but this is a response to hundreds of years of always being hated. it is not anti-arab action; it is symbolically anti every bigot in our history. it's a silly way to be, but you can't suddenly live and let live because we've had a state for 52 years when for most of the rest of history, the world has been waiting for us to mess up. so, i'm sorry, but you are extremely insensitive and short-termist on this issue and i wouldn't say things like that unless you are prepared to be responsible for ALL racial intolerance. love charlie "imyouronlyfriendimnotyouronlyfriendbutreallyimaglowingfriendbutreallyimnotactuallyyourfriend" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister@missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo@missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+