On PF,SR,and TH's dissection of Indie Pop and other toxic behaviour: I had seen earlier the adjective 'anorexic' employed in some musical review oozing baroque terms.It was about some minimalist-folk work, I cannot remember now, maybe Will Oldham himself or Songs of Ohia.And 'anemic' also ,to refer the absence of ornament and the austere use of instruments...etc.j So,the meaning and intention of the word was very different, though,at least judging from this list's contents, quite a few B&S fans would be in Palace & co's new army as well.SR's accurately predicted that being demure and humble would become a much more underground, anti-system attitude than adopting any hedonistic positions, as the System's one and only moral scaffoldery nowadays is Spend,Spend,Spend.In some 'antique regime' conception, libertine would equal hedonism, but is it that clear now?If libertine should equal laughing loud at the conventions at the same time,that's it... However, grunge was a totally different claim, aesthetically and musically from Anorak POp or first Indie attempts at the late eighties,but conjugated as well some sort of budgeted reaction to booming consumerism.And that took place not long after SR's wise words were published. Indie Pop was identified later on with Brit Pop, though, in my modest,non Brit opinion,this later was only a quite illegitimate son of the former, not even that close in musical sources and forms, and quite far away from initial, restrictive indie positions. Brit POp bands wanted to be starry stars, to be acclaimed in stadiums, both from the stage and when supporting their favourite FC.They craved the whole package,including celebrity,money,eccentric expenses,that Roman Emperor status that huge money and fame can buy in this world of us. ANd to reduce heavy-contents in this pedantic,boffin-like posting of mine, just another quote which mixes up anorexia and Indieland : my overweight friend who got stuck in Husker Du and Mudhoney and still sports long, unruled mane as in 1991, exposed his theory in golden days of BritPop, which is summed up as, to be an Indie Kid you have to be not only thin but narrow-framed,as if not, it is impossible to get tight,stripped,70's second-hand t'shirts at a reasonable price . Promise to be more light-hearted next time. Arantxa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister@missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo@missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+