From owner-sinister@majordomo.net Sun Dec 6 05:04:00 1998 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA24355; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 13:02:08 GMT Received: by envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 6 Dec 1998 13:01:36 +0000 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA24175 for sinister-outgoing; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 13:01:15 GMT Received: from violet.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@violet.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.58]) by envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA24107 for <sinister@majordomo.net>; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 13:00:52 GMT From: skg21@hermes.cam.ac.uk Received: from q7300-03.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.92] ident=PDB32) by violet.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #3) id 0zmdoX-0000F3-00 for sinister@majordomo.net; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 13:01:29 +0000 Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 13:01:27 +0100 To: sinister@majordomo.net Subject: Re: Sinister: youth movements and stuff Message-ID: <1423815.3121938087@q7300-03.quns.cam.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Mulberry (MacOS) [1.2.3, s/n S-100001] X-Authenticated: skg21 by imap.hermes.cam.ac.uk X-Licensed-To: University of Cambridge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: skg21@hermes.cam.ac.uk X-List: Sinister
Genevieve wrote:
well,honestly..i don't think there is a big big movement with belle and sebastian type youth...well,maybe there is in little unknown ways...
I actually think there is a movement going on, which we are part of. It's not about trying to change the world by smashing the system or anything, it's about tolerance and generally being nice to people. In a way it's
antithesis of the punk movement. Sure, the world isn't the best place on earth, but by friendliness, humility and consideration we can make it better. And the great thing about it is that you can see results immediately - just by being kind to someone you can make them happier. It is very different from previous 'youth' movements in that it is locally, rather than globally, minded which is why it doesn't get as much attention, but it's still going on. We are all part of it - 800 people and noone is abusive on the list ever, which is quite impressive.
heather:
This is what I consider to be so interesting about this movement, it's niceness. Please, someone, explain this to me. Are the hugs, fuzzy sweaters, comeraderie with one's parents all a symbol of a greater cultural fear of the millenial unknown, or is this for real? I love
music, but I'd like to solve the mystery of the seemingly docile youth who follow it.
i don't think they are really docile..i mean would not exactly call my relationship with my parents very comeraderie,my halo isn't exactly gleaming..i mean sure we share little stories on here,but there's a lot of darkness that people just aren't going to see...but again,maybe elsewhere these fuzzy sweater people are like that,i can only speak from what i do and see.
Well personally my family's going through a bad patch at the moment, which is why I'm dreading spending most of the next 4 weeks with my parents. The difference is that (like just about everyone in this hypothesised movement I guess) I will still do so, and try my best to keep everyone getting on with each other. Everyone gets annoyed at some things and some people - what matters is what you do about it.
I would never describe myself as a hippy (although free love would go down well at times ;-) ), but I respect what they tried to achieve far more
the punks. I'm far too cynical to believe that we can all love everyone
there will always be people you don't get on with - but you have to be able to live with those people.
Apologies if I'm sounding like a moral preacher, that's not what I intend at all; I'm just describing how I think most of us, and an increasing number of people in general, live our lives. And I happen to think that it's a good thing.
As for a musical movement, that's a different kettle of fish. The trend over the last 5 years seems to have been a history of pop music. It started with Britpop - basically a 60s revival - and has so far been through
glam, 80s dance music, the current 80s crap pop revival (Stock Aitken and Waterman all over again) amongst other things, in proportion with their importance and durability at the time. Maybe B&S will slot into an acoustic revival next year, who knows. There hasn't been a genuinely new sound to any popular music since grunge (which wasn't far away from punk anyway). Have people run out of ideas? Is pop music's 50-year reign as leisure pursuit of choice for the young finally coming to an end?
Reading through the above, it all seems very mellow and reflective - just the mood I'm in today I guess (partly because it's the end of term and I've been saying goodbye to loads of people, including some old friends who've been here this weekend that I haven't seen for ages and won't again for ages; and partly because I'm a bit hungover). And you've probably all given up and gone home by this point. I just wanted to set out my point of view, in case anyone agrees or indeed cares.
Oh, and while I'm here, the list crush site. I've had a few emails regarding its merits of otherwise, which will all be taken into consideration. For now it's staying there, but I should warn you all
since neither David nor I will be around over the next few weeks it won't be maintained particularly; so if there's any names you want putting on
just testing my effing computer the the than - prog, that the
list (or taking off it) do something about it now...
Big Stu
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