This is my first post and I felt compelled to say something about the floyd discussion since all of my friends are raving fans while I am an avid hater of the band. I can admit that what some of you have said is true, you do have to give the band some credit for talent and innovation. But i also agree with what someone said about Floyd's art, my friends who are in to these guys are to into what they think is the "trippiness" of their artwork, movie, and tours. They believe that this adds to the greatness of their music. Now as some people may feel this is entertaining and nice to look at, which is fine with me, as i can to enjoy artwork relating to music, but shouldn't the band's greatness, if there is any, be judged strictly on the music. I was onced dragged to see Roger Waters in concert and felt completely let down, even though I didn't like the music. Waters and his band were almost lifeless and still in their performance and they did not seem to improvise on their music or even add any kind of flare from the studio recordings. The rest of my friends were so consumed by the "trippy" artwork on the screen, when of course they were tripping at the time. To this day they still talk about the concert's artwork and never mention the music from the show. I am sorry if this offends any Floyd fans, now don't think I have some personal problem with the band, if you dig there music that is great, but don't tell me they were the greatest band ever and then pursue to try and convince me it is not entirely because of their music. Also related to Floyd and my friends that cannot get enough of them is their lyrics. This kinda relates to any lyrics of anyone at anytime, my friends and I disagree on the importance of lyrics. They believe that if they didn't understand exactly what Waters meant when he wrote his tunes than they couldn't fully appreciate the songs. It is fine to read up on your favorite band and to understand what they felt when writing the music, but is this necessary? I feel that when listening to music, i.e. B&S, I can understand what the author means from listening to the music, and if I am wrong, which I am sure I am in most cases, does that matter. If i am wrong I am still getting some meaning out of the music that has something personal to me. I do also want to say something about B&S, someone recently said that the newer album may not have been as good because it doesn't relate directly to each person individually as well as the previous ones, I agree with this, I am sure for some people the music can relate personally. It just doesn't for me, don't get me wrong I think the album is fantastic and I love listening to it. But after finally listening to some of the older albums they have, after a few weeks of listening to nothing but FISHYCLAP, I realised that the other songs still mean more to me than these new ones, and I have a much easier time relating to it. Sorry if this was too long, Brandon +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister@missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo@missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+