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"hi. well done. once they get all high and mighty on you -you're doomed." "It's so funny that they hate you for being informative. I laughed and laughed at the diatribe in point form! Sheesh, these guys crack me up." "I've had the album for awhile and my first impression of it wasn't good. But I've been listening for weeks now and I'm seeing more depth to it as time goes on. It does demand a bit more or the listener, yes. Some songs I'm never going to like, but that might be me. Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion. The band were trying out some new things, and good for them -- I'd be a little disappointed if they kept turning the same thing out over and over again." "The prime rules, which seem to make sense are: Read the FAQ and Rules (so you know what the list is like); Don't Talk About The List on the List (so the list doesn't get its head up its own arse)" "I hope nobody was too mean to you. I've been gone off on in the past, so I know it's not pleasant :)" "Personally, I will buy it, wait and listen, and see what I think." "Hoping legal man isn't a taste of things to come though. I know they said change etc is good, but not if you turn into a bunch of mainstream rip off merchants. Although this might get them more sales, they could end up alienating those fans that won't jump just cos Isobel does." "Although that said, Legal Man is working its way into me. Usually however, a B+S song is capable of doing that on the first occasion of hearing it, and I think it says something if this one is taking longer than usual." "I do object to them ripping into you. First of all because: a. it makes them look like a bunch of Manic Street Preachers fans, or goths, in their intense love for the band; b. you are freely entitled to an opinion, and nobody has the right to silence you cos you speak out against the regime; c your point had better grounding really, than that of theirs. I think yours was more objective, while they appeared to be in such a swizzle about it, seemed to loose logic of arguement in favour of feverent passion. d. Isobel is shit. Very shit. shes dull and boring. Personally, I think Stevie Jackson numbers are quite good, quite harmonious vocie, but isobel, well, would B+S be classed twee if it wasn't for her? shes irritating, and quite frankly, her music is a little to simple and cutsie for me. I like lyrics and singing that makes an intelligent observation upon things that although I can't always relate to, can sway my understanding. e. I bet even the band would appreciate your honesty, and if I were them, I think I'd have to take a deep breath and worry about some of those hyper senstive cases taking offence on their behalf." "Ignore those few silly sods in the sinister list that so openly think that their opinion is that of the masses, and speak out against you in the list. Personally, I believe that if they had wanted those opinions purely expressed as their own, a private message would have been in order. Don't shy away from speaking out. Sod them, they don't know whether they are a majority or minority unless we run a poll, and despite this, nobody can tell you that you must never speak out against B+S. if anyone does, they will either be told to f*** off, or, if it were Honey, who I doubt it would be, then to be honest, I think some of the more democratical members will take their leave and boycott. And Honey isn't the type to do that. You take care, and stay outspoken! it generates thought amidst the stale conversations!" AND FINALLY.... "Don't take any shit from these kids!! I'm in full conurrence with what you said." ** Hello Fellow Sinisterians ** The above snippets and excerpts were taken from various emails that are now clogging up my inbox, and let it be known that ALL of these thoughts are more than welcome. I'm a stalwart believer in encouraging a healthy flow and exchange of ideas, thoughts, opinions - contradictory, inflammatory, & challenging or not! It is only through constant dialogue with one another that we gain a greater understanding of ourselves - the precious souls that so merrily (or merrilessly) populate this great list. This is incredibly important - more so than more of a few of you even come close to comprehending. My reason for posting some of your comments to me is simple: to showcase for all the great cross-section of thought available here. After examining so many different words - words of anger, venom, and rage; words of support & understanding - I deemed it necessary to display the variety - the unignorable diversity - of mindsets, thoughts, and stances here. Only by addressing the issue can we begin to correct it - if "correcting" it is at all something we need to consider. Personally, I'm intrigued by the array of emotion I've been witness to here. My original intent was not to start a war of sorts, but to simply air my own opinion of the new album. I'll confess that I could have done so in a more respectful manner - and by that, I mean perhaps I should not have ultimately dubbed the album a "letdown," (and instead say that I'm really going to need time for this one to grow on me), but the flipside of all of this is that what I wrote really got us talking - even confronting the dysfunction that seems to be evident on this list. The rules of the list seem as ridiculous as those in The Cider House Rules, should any of you read the book. It's a bit of a joke, really, that there are rules at all, as lists like this not only provide a forum for celebration for a band, but a much needed trading of new and different ideas and such. You can't regulate such a thing without there being lines drawn, and emotions upset. So I'm all for dropping any rules, and having a free for all.. Write what you feel, and feel what you write. Be honest, be open. If it gets us to really deal with each other on a more human, more sincere and genuine level, then I say that's a good thing. Progress! Jarrod San Angel ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister@missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo@missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+