You, outside. Erm ... now. Spill my Babycham will yer? Your mother cooks socks in Hull. OK, so I'm not feeling irate enough to lapse into physical violence (and the closest I get to that is through my self-administered arse slapping at provincial indie discos near you) but I really do have a point to make, and I'd appreciate it if people didn't just scarper or resort to blissful ignorance every time there's the slightest hint of confrontation amongst listees. Before anyone begins to yawn or assume this is another missive related to the Ihamilt controversy, all I can say is that it isn't. Not really anyway. At the risk of being chased out of town by flustered feather duster wielding indie kids, I'd just like to point out that in any close-knit community (or 'cult' if Select is to be believed) such as this, open debate between members is vital and often FUN. As long as things don't get too personal and there aren't insults being bandied about freely, there's no harm in people getting passionate about something and wanting to articulate their point of view. Friendships often arise out of these situations - if several people share a strong belief in something, then obviously they have the foundation for healthy relations with each other (and NO smutty comments please!). The only problem I have with this list is that (in my experience) the opportunity to indulge in a good debate rarely arises because everyone is so self-consciously Grandmotheresque (splendid neologism, don't you think?) and convinced that everything they post should be caked in saccharine. It's all well and good to be kind and gentle, and I'm SO glad that there's not much Manics fan style internal bitching, but when there's this atmosphere of forced courtesy it all starts to resemble a Nazi 'Strength Through Joy' programme or something from '1984'. You WILL be happy and exist in harmony! Not that I'm accusing Honey of being Hitler or Big Brother (weeeelll, maybe the latter :P) but ... I'm sure you know what I mean. I'd just like to see more people breaking the mould instead of posting more updates of The Terribly Twee Things I Did Today. I'm a sucker for outsiders and misfits, see. So if you're reading this, why not respond to it if you strongly agree or disagree? It's probably just the post-Bowlie comedown, but the list seems stale and that's a damn shame. Let's make sure it doesn't stay like that. PS I know that this was all a bit condescending but it's 4:15am and I can't sleep. Have SOME pity! -- ------------ Ciarán Lynch elu488@bangor.ac.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister@majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo@majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+