*---* HAPPY BIRTHDAY SINISTER BABIES *---* Can anyone give me information on how to purchase tickets for the Philadelphia, PA show at the Troc? Feel free to reply privately if you like. Thanks, Paige Prosella@grovereference.com -----Original Message----- From: sinister-digest [SMTP:owner-sinister-digest@majordomo.net] Sent: Friday, September 04, 1998 4:51 AM To: sinister-digest@majordomo.net Subject: sinister-digest V2 #326 sinister-digest Friday, September 4 1998 Volume 02 : Number 326 *** Topics in this digest *** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Sep 98 20:47:10 GMT From: susannah <susannah@tormentor.clara.net> Subject: Sinister: TIME OUT review *---* HAPPY BIRTHDAY SINISTER BABIES *---* I've never done an informative sensible post before so here goes: Time Out Sept 2-9 issue;- 'We'll call it a transitional album, if only for the fact that Stuart Murdoch doesn't hog all the songwriting credits. This, of course, can only be a good thing. The more different members compete to create something worthy of an already formidable brand name, the better the music gets. For evidence, look no further than 'Is it Wicked Not To Care?' which rubs shoulders with the best of B&S's canon. It was written by the violinist (sic) Isobel- presumably for inclusion between The Velvet Underground's ' I'll Be Your Mirror' and 'The Happiest Girl In The World' by fellow Glaswegians Biff Bang Pow! on a C90 labelled 'vulnerable'. Stevie the guitarist has chipped in with a couple too: a plaintive ode to New York fanzine 'Chickfactor'; and 'Seymour Stein', seemingly about blowing out dinner with a US record company mogul. Really though, its a song about perspective, plain and simple, whose expansive melancholia barely prepares you for Stuart David's ensuing contibution. Replace Jim Morrison with a Scottish boy and Augustus Pablo on melodica and lo! - The Doors' LA Woman' turns into 'A Space Boy Dream'! And among all this - perhaps because of the new colours surrounding it - Stuart Murdoch's music glows ever brighter: the beat-boogie of the title track; and 'Simple Things', whose concise elegance tips the pendulum more towards quintessential than typical. So many ace songwriters. Just one band. Shouldn't someone call the Monopolies and Mergers Commision? Blinder. susannnah. xxx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:32:42 -0800 From: Ian Connelly <ian@wired.com> Subject: Sinister: poor salon review of tbwtas *---* HAPPY BIRTHDAY SINISTER BABIES *---* is it wicked to make so many factual errors? probably. the tenor of the review is another story, i suppose. ~ ian - -----> Belle and Sebastian THE BOY WITH THE ARAB STRAP | MATADOR BY CHRIS LEHMAN | "If You're Feeling Sinister," the de facto debut offering from Scottish Wunderkinder Belle and Sebastian, was a bracing but exhilarating primer in long-neglected pop fundamentals. Unassuming front man Stuart Murdoch delivered closely observed, sly and morose songs; the rest of the band supplied spare but hypnotically tuneful backing. It was the kind of seamless folk-inflected pop that the word "winsome" was invented to describe. Now, of course, the eminently justified critical embrace of "If You're Feeling Sinister" casts a long and almost certainly unfair shadow on the band's new disc, "The Boy With the Arab Strap." And just as understandably, the new disc finds the band in a restless, experimental mood. The short opening character study, "It Could Have Been a Brilliant Career," segues briskly into the insistent, synth-heavy rhythms of "Sleeping the Clock Around," only to lurch back to folkie introspection in a listless ode to clotted affect, "Is It Wicked Not to Care?" But it's also around here that the listener starts getting suspicious: The tag line of the song's outro chorus is "Would you love me till I'm dead?" a direct lift from the outro chorus of "Northern Sky," by the ethereal '70s folkie Nick Drake, one of Belle and Sebastian's most frequently cited musical ancestors. It seems that Murdoch and company are starting to tire of their own sense of youthful self-discovery and have set about indulging in the postmodern game of cataloging influences. Indeed, many of the new disc's songs seem like little more than involuted studies in pop allusion: The supremely ill-advised venture into Glaswegian trip-hop, "Spaceboy Dream," for example, sounds like a shotgun wedding between John Cale and A Tribe Called Quest. "Seymour Stein," a labored depiction of an uncool record company executive, sounds like Love's Arthur Lee on a particularly smug day. Even the more musically robust and interesting tracks, such as "The Roller Coaster Ride" and "Dirty Dream #2," don't stir themselves lyrically to address anything more than an assortment of ill-defined "troubles" and the band's own chronic sense of aimlessness. You certainly don't want to give up on a band as promising and as abundantly gifted as Belle and Sebastian. But too much of "The Boy With the Arab Strap" defies you to do just that. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:35:29 -0800 From: Ian Connelly <ian@wired.com> Subject: Sinister: salon: attribution *---* HAPPY BIRTHDAY SINISTER BABIES *---* salon magazine is located at www.salonmagazine.com this particular review was at: http://www.salonmagazine.com/ent/music/reviews/1998/09/02review.html#belle sorry for the multiple posts and copyright violations! ian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 14:42:58 PDT From: "Paul Francke" <sarahsheridan@hotmail.com> Subject: Re. Sinister: chicago? *---* HAPPY BIRTHDAY SINISTER BABIES *---*
So I looked at the Metro website and nothing lists for the Chicago show. I called ticketmaster with no luck. Oct 25, 26, 27? I've > heard it all on this list! Does anyone really truly know????
dave was right, as the metro webpage now lists the show for monday 10/26. yay! paul ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:51:31 -0700 From: Tara Widmer <TWidmer@xil.com> Subject: Sinister: B&S reviews, SF party and oh so much MORE! *---* HAPPY BIRTHDAY SINISTER BABIES *---* well, to be honest the more negative reviews of "TBWTAS" are kind of a refreshing change. If *every* article gave it five stars and gushed about how heartbreakingly beautiful every single song was I think it *could* be a big let-down to people like me who haven't heard it. Sometimes when something is SO hyped and you're killing yourself in anticipation of it, that no matter how wonderful it is when it finally happens, it can't possibly live up to the expectations you've set. can anybody back me up on this?? ***** Remember that Bay Area listening party that was cancelled?? In order to further complicate matters, Matador finally contacted me today (the reasoning being better late than never, I suppose?) and I shall very soon have a copy of the album in my possession. Therefore, i implore *anyone* who is still interested in a Labor Day get-together to contact me ASAP. E-mail: Twidmer@xil.com Call me at work: (415) 477-8766 leave a message if no answer. ******** Finally, I should know better than to tell you this (as it will severely diminish this wee kitten's chance of getting one) but I spoke with a guy at Mod Lang record shop in Berkeley & he said that they are trying to obtain posters to give away with the purchase of "TBWTAS". However, the record company hasn't answered them either way, so they don't know for sure yet. He also said there is some problem they are having with getting the vinyl version of TBWTAS and it probably won't be available on Tues. tata, tara, that wee kitten ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:49:44 +0100 From: "Chris Leonard" <calnd@globalnet.co.uk> Subject: Sinister: Monday And Tuesdays sets to be sure *---* HAPPY BIRTHDAY SINISTER BABIES *---* You see, I wrote them down for my competition. Enjoy! If you entered, why not work out how many points you got for yourself, and see if you got it right next week! See some of you scary lot tomorrow, c =============== Mondays set 1. Beautiful 2. Simple Things 3. Mayfly 4. Is It Wicked not to care 5. A Century Of Fakers 6. A Summer Wasting 7. Wrong Love 8. Seeing Other People 9. The Boy With the Rabbit Strap 10. Spaceboy Dream 11. Get Me Away... 12. I Don't Love anyone 13. The Boy Done Wrong Again 14. Judy And The Dream Of Horses Tuesdays Set: 1. Dog On Wheels 2. Dirty Dream #2 3. The loneliness of the Middle Distance Runner 4. The Gate 5. The State I am in 6. Lazy Line Painter Jane 7. Seymour Stein 8. It Could Have been A brilliant Career 9. She's Losing it 10. Slow Graffiti 11. Chickfactor 12. Belle And Sebastian 13. Photo Jenny 14. The Rollercoaster Ride ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:55:25 +0100 From: "Chris Leonard" <calnd@globalnet.co.uk> Subject: Sinister: Competition......background *---* HAPPY BIRTHDAY SINISTER BABIES *---* Sawaddee! Please forgive my delay in getting back to you on competition progress, but I've not been here I've been on holiday in Glencoe with miss julia where the little midges ate me silly. Little fuckers. Anyway, the competition. Some statistics before I start: - - 22 people entered the competition. Which made it totally worthwhile writing a computer system to work the scores out. Cheers. - - 3 were ladies. And so...... Here's what everyone guessed. Spot the Dafties! I will post results next thursday, when I'm back.......... Adrian Evans The State I Am In Expectations Judy And The Dream She's Losing It Modern Rock Song Andrew Grant Lazy Line Painter The State I Am In Photo Jenny She's Losing It Slow Graffiti Calumn Shearer The Stars Of Track We Rule The School Belle And Sebastian Le Pastie De La The State I Am In Declan McGurk Le Pastie De La A Century Of Fakers Dog On Wheels She's Losing It The State I Am In Derek Martin It Could Have Been A You're Just A Baby My Wandering Days She's Losing It Belle And Sebastian da duke It Could Have Be Slow Graffiti My Wandering Days London Has Let Me Hurley's Having FunkySeb The Boy With The The State I Am In Slow Graffiti Pocketbook Angel London Has Let Me John Johnstone The Loneliness Of A The State I Am In Expectations Le Pastie De La Slow Graffiti Joss Moorkens Mary Jo Seeing Other People The Loneliness Of A We Rule The School I Don't Love Anyone Miss Julia Dirty Dream #2 I Could Be Dreaming I Don't Love Anyone Le Pastie De La My Wandering Days kevan cooke Le Pastie De La The State I Am In You Made Me Forget Put The Book Back Slow Graffiti Linda 'String Band' Kerr The State I Am In She's Losing It Mary Jo Spaceboy Dream You Made Me Forget matt Bcapirigi Get Me Away From Put The Book Back She's Losing It Le Pastie De La TheState I Am In Oooooooon Photo Jenny The State I Am In I Could Be Dreaming Judy And The Dream Put The Book Back paul 'meat lightbulb' mitchell Belle And Sebastian Mary Jo We Rule The School You Made Me Forget Seeing Other People peter larsson Dog On Wheels The State I Am In Get Me Away From Mary Jo She's Losing It Peter Miller Hurley's Having Slow Graffiti Is It Wicked Not To London Has Let Me My Wandering Days R.O. Jenkin She's Losing It Le Pastie De La I Don't Love Anyone You Made Me Forget Judy And The Dream Rod Begbie Lazy Line Painter Modern Rock Song My Wandering Days Photo Jenny She's Losing It ronan barrett The State I Am In Modern Rock Song Le Pastie De La Slow Graffiti She's Losing It Steve Genge She's Losing It Judy And The Dream We Rule The School I Don't Love Anyone Slow Graffiti Tim Hopkins The State I Am In Slow Graffiti Modern Rock Song Le Pastie De La Mary Jo Ho ho ho. Some howlers there, eh? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:08:55 -0700 From: "Seamus Campbell" <conform@deming.com> Subject: FW: Sinister: mmuuu *---* HAPPY BIRTHDAY SINISTER BABIES *---*
-----Original Message----- From: Vanessa Figueras [SMTP:vanessa.figueras@swipnet.se] Sent: Thursday, September 03, 1998 11:12 AM To: Laurel Girvan Cc: sinister@majordomo.net; poetryplace2 Subject: Re: Sinister: mmuuu
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isn't he the director of "Clockwork Orange"
yes. also full metal jacket, 2001: a space oddessy, the shining, dr strangelove, and lolita.
and "Acopalypso Now"?
nope. francis ford coppola.
Laurel Girvan wrote:
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how many times are we going to get trousie poo's review posted?
or
hasn't it been the same one and i just haven't noticed...
anyway, who's stanley kubrick?
love you all you hoppity kiddies, even the nasty putrid brit show-goers (no bitterness here, of course).
laurel xxxxxx
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------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:09:40 EDT From: Funkyseb@aol.com Subject: Sinister: I'm only lucid when I'm riding...well, trains actually *---* HAPPY BIRTHDAY SINISTER BABIES *---* I wasn't going to post today, but then I thought, aw, shucks, all you Connex South Eastern fans want to know about my day. Well alright then, I'll tell you.<sits down and makes ooohh, that's better noises like an old man sipping a cup of tea> As I staggered into the booking hall, a man in a very smart cepe tried to sweep me up. 'sorry' I said though it wasn't my fault, 'you'll have to go away' he said 'we're tidying this area up.' So I skulked off to the platforms, and lo! there were a host of beautiful people in lovely blue and yellow suits, and happy cheery cockney types in pristine day-glo boiler suits all busying around and doing their jobs properly like the plastic people you get moulded to your Hornby train set. And they herded the slightly scuffed real people to the very end of the platform. 'Stay here' they said, 'there's a special train coming it's not for you keep away from it. Important people are coming' And as I looked around the huddle, I saw a beautiful girl looking wistfully at the Travellers Fare. And I saw that she was the absolute spit of Isobel. We all got on our dirty old train, and I decided that it surely was Isobel, taking a day off from her hectic P!O!O! star life, and enjoying a recreational trip to Royal Tunbridge Wells. And why not? We have an animatronic Beau Nash, and T!W!O! branches of Boots, the chemist. So I hummed 'Is it wicked not to care', allowing the lovely tune to waft around the carriage, in an attempt at subtle communication. If she harmonised, I'd know it was fate! Sadly as I'd just come out of the pub the song turned into a hugest BURRP! known to man, and the none too subtle aroma of stale bitter filled the suddenly much smaller compartment. Isobel looked at me as if I was Albert Steptoe and the moment was lost, for ever. I also dreamt that Stuart was running over all the flowers in the world in his great big bus. I rang the bell, but he carried on until every one was flattened. Right, I'm sure I've tried your patience enough by now. Not long to go now, kids love, seb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:26:34 -0500 From: "Suzanne Schroeder" <suzsch@gte.net> Subject: Sinister: boston tix? *---* HAPPY BIRTHDAY SINISTER BABIES *---* Where are they on sale at, if anywhere? s.s. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:21:40 EDT From: OLDSCHREC@aol.com Subject: Sinister: new CD in stock *---* HAPPY BIRTHDAY SINISTER BABIES *---* No, I'm not mental and I know the label reads this. We have the new CD (did I mention just 2 copies) since we are a small ma & pa record store. Labor Day weekend a few years back I bought the 4 CD The Who -> box set the Friday before Labor Day at a major store (Best Buy) when it wasn't due to be released to the Tuesday after the holiday. It happens sometimes cuz holiday shipments get shipped early by distributors. It's not like anyone goes and advertises it. You didn't hear the information from me. We don't do any advertising for our small ma & pa record store. I didn't offer them for sale to anyone here. Did I mention the name of the store? No, I didn't, did I? Pete ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 19:21:47 -0400 From: blink@inexpress.net Subject: Sinister: my feet are sore,but i'm not down no *---* HAPPY BIRTHDAY SINISTER BABIES *---* dear bears, those reviews are too lovely,all this sinister stuff...that's it,i must go to the nyc picnic...
No, it's francis Ford coppola that has directed "Apocalypse now". Kubrik has directed "Clockwork orange", "Doctor Strangelove", "Full metal jacket", "Shining" and many more. French kisses to everyone Julien
Lolita as well,yes? as you all had gorgeous days on tuesday i imagine,well mine was not as perfect we shall say..( oh why is hitchhiking illegal!!).is that Murdoch Murder One still availible? oh have i got a job for him!! monsieur bobby chariot,you're an odd little monkey,but you make me laugh in this bitter state. everything will be fine,everything will be fine xoxo genevieve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Sep 98 00:19:30 GMT From: Heinitz <heinitz@clara.net> Subject: Sinister: mouse/leeds *---* HAPPY BIRTHDAY SINISTER BABIES *---* hello everybody, just to say, i think i will be at the pre gig gathering tomorrow in leeds, although i am slightly worried about attempting to gather and then being too shy to say anything to anybody, as i am wont to do. anyway, whether i gather successfully or not, i will enjoy the gig immensely, i am sure, as i am very excited about it. as for the mouse, well, i haven't seen him since i returned him to his freedom, but i don't often walk up to where we released him. it was quite near an old people's home, so if the brief domesticity had a permanent effect on him he could have taken up residency there, and might be nibbling at old people as we speak. or rather, as i type. or as you read, whatever. it isn't that i'm not sentimental (i am, hopelessly so), but i have plenty of animals to worry about without the mouse. i regard myself in a kind of fostering role, rather than an adopting role, with that one. a sort of pippa-off-home-and-away character, only without the enormous skirts. leeds again - i am a short, dark person, and my friend is a tall curly haired person of the male gender. if you see us, and feel inclined, say hello. love, the girl with the mouse (abi, who can hardly contain her excitement) xxx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:49:00 EDT From: MWaggner@aol.com Subject: Re: Sinister: mmuuu *---* HAPPY BIRTHDAY SINISTER BABIES *---* In a message dated 98-09-03 14:13:29 EDT, you write:
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isn't he the director of "Clockwork Orange" and "Acopalypso Now"?
Laurel Girvan wrote:
"Clockwork Orange" and "2001: A Space Odyssey." "Apocalypse Now" was Francis Ford Coppola, no? The latter 2 are among my most favorite films. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 23:05:45 -0400 (EDT) From: dave cohen <lapis@pobox.upenn.edu> Subject: Re. Sinister: chicago? (fwd) *---* HAPPY BIRTHDAY SINISTER BABIES *---*
So I looked at the Metro website and nothing lists for the Chicago show. I called ticketmaster with no luck. Oct 25, 26, 27? I've > heard it all on this list! Does anyone really truly know????
dave was right, as the metro webpage now lists the show for monday 10/26. yay!
paul
an showing that karma is still a working force just picked up my tickets for the philly gig 10/23 at the troc thanks matthew! just goes to show what subbing to this list can do unglau-bloody-blich, --dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 23:39:05 EDT From: HoleRole@aol.com Subject: Sinister: It's about time..... *---* HAPPY BIRTHDAY SINISTER BABIES *---* Hello Folks, I've been a member of this list long enough. It's about time I started participating in all the conversation. My name is Aaron and I live in Brooklyn, New York. I have every intention of meeting as many of you as I can at the concert on the 1st of November and at the picnic, which I hope to attend. At this point I will proceed to bore those of you still reading with the details of my day (yes, there is some B&S content). After seeing There's Something About Mary for the second time I went back to my friend Maurice's house. I stayed there for dinner since my own family were all out for various reasons. Maurice is one of the many people who I am trying to turn on to Belle & Sebastion. I had brought my copy of Dog on Wheels over to his house and he put it on just as his mother half asked half forced me to help prepare dinner. Then a strange thing happened. Beneath the din of a household with four children, a frazzled mother and a tired friend helping to prepare dinner (you have all probably heard similar sounds in your own homes at hectic moments) came the familiar sound of Stuart Murdoch ("When I was a boy i was confounded by you....."). I'm not sure if the music transended the hussle and bussle and brought the house up with it or the beauty of the music was stifled by the noise but the juxtaposition was interesting. Glad to have a place where i can share my observations, Aaron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:11:11 +0100 From: Neil Dewhurst <NeilD@ncm.co.uk> Subject: Sinister: Kubrick *---* HAPPY BIRTHDAY SINISTER BABIES *---* Er, am I massively wrong here, or has everyone forgotten or somehow failed to see the marvellous and bizarre 2001? Catch it on a big screen somewhere if you can, anything else doesn't compare. xfm, oh dear. I haven't listened since the last song I heard one night was something by Ocean Colour Scene, and the first the next morning was U2's Discotechque. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:53:29 +0200 From: "PJMiller" <pjmiller@arrakis.es> Subject: Sinister: Runarooooooooooound NOW! *---* HAPPY BIRTHDAY SINISTER BABIES *---* Doctor Paul wrote: Stuart Murdoch took us all on a two minute diversion from the
stage about "Mike Read's Runaround" (for those not called "Peter Miller" it was a UK kids TV programme in the 80s). He concluded we were all "too young" when we didn't respond to jokes about orange balls. Linda and I coughed a little.
Not only was it a fantastic telly treat, it was also a smashing quiz book. I bought it in WHSmiths in Canaervon/Canaerfffffon (?), for ages afterwards I thought WHSmiths was a good shop. Just to elaborate a little on Doctor Paul's description, Runaround was a bit like Twister, only with questions. It was presented by Cockney Wanker from Viz. The game Twister, not the film. on page 10 of the MM
you'll see a "What's It All About" article about... "List Songs". The big lazy gits nicked it from OUR list! There's apparently a lot of your own examples on there. Next week expect "What's It All About... Newt Mating Dances on Mike Read's Runaround".
It's not the first time we've been plundered, is it? I remember Uncle Trousers pointing out a similar case of grand list larceny some time ago. Let's try and throw them off the scent.... Here's another of those ironic song combinations..oh dear...I can hardly type for tittering...the kids will love this....OH LORD, WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO ME AND THE MAJOR? by BIG MAY-BELLE AND SEBASTIAN!!!! Oh no! I've wet myself... The newt tank's a fine and private place, but no kingfishers, I think, do there embrace. Today I saw Mister Kingfisher again, and he tried to throw me off the trail by darting under the bridge and flying upstream. Undeterred, I followed quietly. I saw it by standing by the side of the stream in the distance, so I stood stock still and waited. And waited. And waited..... A few minutes later it transpired that I had been patiently waiting for an empty Nestea can to fly off. What a silly billy! Thanks to Andrew for the reviews. That Melody Maker one is poo, but at least NME were nice. I was fully expecting a lengthy vendetta from them. Starsky and Hutch ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:42:00 +0100 From: "Simpson, Claire E" <Claire.Simpson@capgemini.co.uk> Subject: Sinister: Good news and Bad *---* HAPPY BIRTHDAY SINISTER BABIES *---* Good Morning All! Well the good news is I have just managed to get 2 tickets to the gig on Monday, so I am more that a little excited. The bad news is that now only two of the three of us get to go, so there is a very pouty man walking round London as we speak. I know this is a long shot, but if anyone out there has a spare ticket, or knows a man who has, you could potentially make my friend very happy indeed!! Meanwhile, have an excellent weekend thinking of TBWTAS and the show on Monday. Huzzah!! Claire ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:53:46 +0000 From: Mark Iles <iles@boreas.leeds.icnet.uk> Subject: Sinister: Leeds gig *---* HAPPY BIRTHDAY SINISTER BABIES *---* I'm going to the Leeds gig tonight with a friend (that's the good news). He's coming from Derby straight after work and can't make it until 8.20 (that's the bad news). So does anyone know what time the bands are going to be on stage (ie. what time will Elliot Smith start)? Am I going to have to go in without him and meet him in there, or am I safe waiting that late? If anyone knows, could they email me privately, as I'm on the digest and might not get the reply in time othwerwise. Thanks. Mark ___________________________________________________________________________ Mark Iles, Tel: +44 (0113) 2065042 Imperial Cancer Research Fund, Fax: +44 (0113) 2340183 Genetic Epidemiology Laboratory, Ashley Wing, Email: iles@boreas.leeds.icnet.uk St James's University Hospital, Beckett Street, Leeds, "I liked it so much I bought the LS9 7TF company. Shaves as close as a blade U.K. or your money back." - The Rubaiyat of Victor Khayyam ____________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of sinister-digest V2 #326 ****************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . ----- Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list ----- . To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". To unsubscribe . send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to . "majordomo@majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, . FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . ----- Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa ----- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . Digest users: PLEASE REMEMBER to send replies to the list DONT JUST . REPLY! You need to re-address email to "sinister@majordomo.net". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo@majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+