If Starry Sarah can come out of the woodwork after all this time, then I suppose I will as well. I'm very happy you're safe Sarah... and pleased you still seem to be *you.* I may be the oldest of the old Sinisterines, chronologically... and consequently I've left all this p!o!p! stuff to those more p!o!p! than I. But once a Sinisterine... While I didn't know Liz outside the confines of the Sinister world, I think most of us would agree that this small world made many of us friends of a new and different kind -- we here often knew more about each other than we knew of people in our "real" worlds and sometimes shared things with each other here more easily than we do in that "real" world -- and so I count her as one of those friends by virtue of having read her posts and learned about her through them over the years. That, and the fact that people I know, respect and love thought the world of her makes me feel the loss of Liz as though I too have lost something. Perhaps it is just that the world can ill afford to lose one of its better beings and when it happens, we all feel the loss of their goodness in the world somehow. Maybe Sinister made all of us more aware of that kind of world-connectedness. As the mother of children not much younger than Liz, this resonates particularly deeply in me and my heart breaks for her parents especially. We can never quite explain the amazing love we have for our children, and how that love always carries with it both great hopes for their lives and horrible fears for their safety. It is what makes parents so annoying sometimes. I know I can't begin to know the Daplyns' pain in reality, but I can imagine all too well the shape and depth of it from my own nightmares and it makes me cry... for them, for Liz, and for all the troubled world in which these things happen. I hope that they, and everyone who loved and was touched by her, will eventually find the peace that Liz would want them to find in having known, loved and shared her life. Hopefully their memories of Liz will someday be beams of sunlight in which those who loved her will be able to warm themselves in the dark of sadness. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister@missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo@missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+