Hiya :) ooh, I've got lots to say about some of the threads going on, so let's get started... About liking B&S less if they were horribly ugly beasts with horns, hooves, and pointed tails, and they didn't share their treats with you (or something like that): I thought about it a bit and I've come to the conclusion that their looks really are inconsequential (yes, even if they all sported zz top-like beards... yes, even the ladies). I remember not being entirely bowled over when I first saw pictures of the group ("Oh, so that's what they look like...um, yay.", "Al, that's not belle and sebastian, that's the cast of three's company. THIS is what b&s look like" <hands me a photo> "oooh, that's what they look like......um, yay"), but that's only because I had this mental image of them all as being gods among men (and women (and children (and, oh, let's not forget the elderly))). I think, in a way, I was disappointed when I did see what they looked like because all the mystique surrounding them was lost. It's like seeing someone you really fancy several times but never really talking to him/her. You sort of generate this amazing personality in your head and then you finally talk to said party and find out he/she is a total twat (not that B&S aren't lovely, of course) and that you really want to kick his/her arse because he/she is really she/he and.. ah nevermind... about helter skelter being the first "true" hard rock song: pfft, I wouldn't know, but I did listen to the White Album again for the first time after a long time and I was amazed at how good it was! and to throw in some Who content for all you Who fans out there, I remember reading that Paul wrote Helter Skelter after reading that the Who had recorded the loudest, raunchiest rock song ever. :P And of course, the song is about a slide, and nothing more, so don't go out on a killing spree because of it! finally, a couple of melodies "lifted" by b&s: Dog On Wheels: the trumpet part (when it plays a bit o' harmony) sounds like the hawaii five-o theme (it does, dammit!!! and if you disagree, I'll meet you after school by the bike racks and we can have a -- um -- discussion...yeah) A Century Of Fakers: the sus chord riff at the end of some of the verses sounds like it came straight from the byrds' version of mr. tambourine man (it does, dammit!!! if you dig up your byrds album -- whichever one it was -- and listen to 'mr. tambourine man' you shall see that the riff is missing. why, you ask? because it's been stolen!!) and finally, A Century of Elvis: the whole song sounds vaguely familiar, but the narrative done by Stu D is mixed so loud that I can barely hear the backing instrumentation. this is a tough one and i've been devoting all my spare time to figuring out which song this most closely resembles. any help would be appreciated! that's all for now, i shall leave you all in peace. all you people reading these emails at work: GET BACK TO WORK!! p.s. a quick, shameless plug: pt.2 of my eliza comic strip is up: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Chateau/9889/ Allen (ICQ: #35152981) -- "Long afloat on shipless oceans I did all my best to smile Till your singing eyes and fingers Drew me loving to your isle." -- Song to the Siren, Tim Buckley. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister@majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo@majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+