Sinister: pick knickers!
Perhaps someone has already clarified things re the London picnic on the 20th. If not: Mark, the one and only picnic will be in Greenwich, not Primrose Hill. This is because the great majority of picnickers will be going on to 2000 troubled teenagers, which (I believe) is in New Cross, i.e. very close to Greenwich and bloody miles from Primrose Hill. This is, incidentally, far more inconvenient for me personally, but it does make sense. I hope everyone can still make it. I don't want to give any further details now in case I get them wrong too, but please, ANYONE who wants to come really really should - even the shyest of the twee (a terrifying thought) will feel happy and welcome when the Pringles, pork pies and pale ales (erm...) a-plenty start being consumed... And the further you travel to come, the more people will be delighted to see you. We're even grudgingly allowing Ally Cook to present us with his grace. Ooh, one other thing - at the picnics we tend to have more crisps, sweets and chocolates than we know what to do with, while real, main course type food tends to be in short supply. If you make some sandwiches or bagels or, heaven forbid, bring a camping stove, you're bound to get a big wet kiss from Ally/Erica*, depending on your preference. For those of you into your footie, there are pubs nearby if you really need your fix that afternoon. But the footie to be played will be a million times more fun than watching poncey, overpaid pansies parade around a pitch (though if certain as-yet-unnamed people are playing, you'll get that as well, boom boom), so join the Sinister FC massive - the stars of Bowlie and ATP started with jumpers for goalposts too, you know. Moving on...certain ancient people with long memories would probably suggest that I don't get into this, but BabyChris' comments about the Cool Set in London (forgive the paraphrase) seem a bit tetchy and far from the truth. It's very hard to have a clique with so many people, Chris - I'd hope you'd be able to find all of us who meet up down here just as friendly as elsewhere. Just as the Glasgow listees who I've met have been to me. In any case, try it before you make such judgements, please. Actually, re-reading what Chris meant, I'm going to rant a bit more.. A "scene"? Quoi? And the implication that we're not "normal people who like the music" - how on earth do you think we found each other? And TWEE in capital letters? It's laughable to suggest we're somehow more pretentious or fake than you. And plain wrong. Sinister is meant to bring us together, and does an impossibly good job of it. There's no need to try and create some kind of division which simply doesn't exist. Especially in your valedictory post. Markx *subject to me not getting a clout round the earhole from one of the aforementioned lovelies. ******************************************************************* The contents of this e mail from HIT Entertainment PLC are confidential and intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy or further distribute this e mail; please notify us by telephone on 020 7224 1717, and delete the e mail from your computer. This e mail has been checked by our anti-virus system before leaving us; we accept no responsibility for the e mail and any attachments once they leave us. www.hitentertainment.com www.bobthebuilder.org ******************************************************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister@missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo@missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
Forgive me, an impatient mail. Mark, on "Baby" Chris:
Moving on...certain ancient people with long memories would probably suggest that I don't get into this, but BabyChris' comments about the Cool Set in London (forgive the paraphrase) seem a bit tetchy and far from the truth.
... Sinister is meant to bring us together, and does an impossibly good job of it. There's no need to try and create some kind of division which simply doesn't exist. Especially in your valedictory post.
And about Americans. And about someone he doesn't like who took the time to contribute to Papercuts. And about someone whose face he didn't like at the picnic. Chris is no longer with us, I helped him along in unsubscribing. I'm afraid this may be a lack of patience on my part, but the sort of posts that say "bye bye I'm leaving, and by the way, most of you are wankers" really gets to me; people only get so much rope. Who read all of yesterday's 30 posts to the list? How many of the people who posted have read all those before? How many of those who posted really thought all 1300 people really wanted to read what they said? How many of those people decided to wait before posting, to see if they had a few things they could send at once later on to make things more digestible for the other 1299 who were about to receive their mails? These questions aren't a dig at anyone, they're not quite rhetorical. Some of the mails as always were delicious. But if you're posting and don't care less, then you're going to feel a hand on your shoulder soon I'm afraid. Or everything will just go very quiet for you, more likely, because I haven't time to enter into debate. You all know the score, I've bored you all to tears with it before, and most of you are incredibly patient putting up with my nagging, and careful about what you send; it's the few who don't. I do find that by and large people can tell who cares and who doesn't, and if it's obvious someone doesn't, or hasn't read this mail, or doesn't care what's in it, I might have to do something drastic, because I just don't have the time to run this *and* send these mails. Remember this list isn't affiliated to anyone, isn't paid for by any organisation, doesn't have anything to do with Jeepster or the band, is just a place you all come to meet: You Get The List You Make. If you're on this list just to get an audience for your own thoughts on life, or breakfast, I'm afraid you don't belong. If a mail took you less than 15 minutes to write, then maybe you should think before sending it: it probably means you just want something, and to get something, you usually have to give something too. If you're not reading what others are posting because it's all too much, then you have no business posting. If you find this hard to understand, or unreasonable, please give a thought to what how many of those other posts you just can't get through would be there if they'd followed this rule. And if you plain don't like the kind of environment that expects this, then there are plenty of other mailing lists that don't have to worry about such niceties that you could go to: it's just, they aren't usually so big or long-lived. But you might be happier there, or you can go and make your own lists, it's what the Internet's for. But I'm mum here. Sinister has been a special very place, to me as much as anyone, and I'm just here to do a bit of weeding, which is what this rather impatient mail is about: knowing what the majority of you want, because you tell me, and trying to keep it that way. If I'm getting it wrong, please do mail me about it, but let's not discuss it on the list: that way lies list conflagration. For nearly three years Sinister has trundled along more or less merrily, and I'd like to see it through for at least another, if we can avoid falling into the holes most mailing lists trip up in and die. This mail did take me more than 15 minutes to write, and I feel a bit of a toad sending it. I suspect it's not going to win me any list crushes. I *really* hate sending these mails, and afterwards I worry like mad. It's just, I really love this list. Grrrrrrrr, Honey +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister@missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo@missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
Hello again, Thanks for writing back. I'm glad you did, rather than just dismissing it all as piffle. Here are the bits I really didn't like:
Some of the mails as always were delicious.
Maybe it was just a bad choice of words, but the way it came across to me was that the same old people who always post are the only ones worth reading.
If you're on this list just to get an audience for your own thoughts on life, or breakfast, I'm afraid you don't belong. If a mail took you less than 15 minutes to write, then maybe you should think before sending it: it probably means you just want something, and to get something, you usually have to give something too.
Well, my mail obviously took less than 15 minutes to write. And I did want something - this was obvious in my requests. I just didn't really think it was much. Anyway, I don't think you're 'some sort of fascist who only wants novel writers to post', but it seemed to me that you were having a bit of a go to us who can't think of much to write at a time - I can understand being a bit annoyed when people post about 5 things which are all a couple of lines long, or when there are several posts which say exactly the same thing. there've been lots of times when I've been infuriated as hell by what I've read on the list, but I don't want to get into silly nasty arguments about stuff, so I've just kept quiet. Some things even make me angry. But I prefer that to nothing. Ho hum. Anyway, it's probably just me being unduly sensitive. I think it's more that, if you put your first post on and then something like this appears, you do feel a bit put off. Sorry, I didn't mean to cause any offence. It's just the list is pretty daunting. Well, who knows. I probably won't post again, at least not for a while, mainly because I can't think of anything to put on there. I know you love the list, and I'm not disputing that at all. I, as much as anyone, would hate for it to drop into complete rubbishness and die. I just don't think things were as bad as you said (although I appreciate that it's better to do something about it before things go all crappy). Well, this is probably mostly incoherent (I've just got to work, so I'm still waking up), but I hope you're not upset by what I wrote. that wasn't my intention at all. And I s'pose I'm probably the only person who took it all personally anyway. Sorry. Marc. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister@missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo@missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
Okay, spot the splanker (a much underused word, I think), who hit the wrong reply button. After all that, I think I should justify myself. Right, okay, I was a bit upset by what I read, and yes, I do sometimes get infuriated by what I read (I'm not going to mention names, because that's not fair, not nice, and really not the sort of thing I do). But I would also like to say, right now, that I'd rather read some stuff which I disagree with than nothing at all (after all, everyone's entitled to an opinion). Which is why I'm here. I also said this: "I can understand being a bit annoyed when people post about 5 things which are all a couple of lines long, or when there are several posts which say exactly the same thing." Again, not a criticism (it doesn't bother me at all personally), but I understand that some people get more wound up by these things than others. Hope I haven't caused anyone any offence, as none was intended. Right, onto cheerier things. Like how jealous I am about T in the Park. Every year it looks the best festival and this year is no exception. Lucky people. I'd go, but I can't afford to get the train all that way. Although I may be going to Homelands. I appreciate that this is probably not what most people would be interested in, but I went a couple of years ago and it was top. Best night out ever. I honestly recommend it. Glen said: Lamacq kept reffering to the band as "THE BELLES", which for some reason makes me shudder. I didn't hear it, but I can't agree more. Maybe they should've had a shorter name to begin with, which couldn't be abbreviated in such a horrid way. Still, it's better than poor old Polly Harvey (imagine being referred to as Peej (shudder)). Mind you, Radio 1 DJs do have a habit of saying excrutiatingly embarrassing things. I still cringe when I remember Mark Goodier, in the middle of a PWEI sound city gig, remarking 'Pop Will Eat Itself - absolutely jumpin'. Er yes. I'm also reminded of someone I overheard at an Echo & The Bunnymen gig - 'they were better than Ocean'. Bizarre, quite frankly. Glen also remarked about prefect-esque Sinister badges. Sounds like a good idea to me. I was never made a prefect at school (don't worry, I don't expect any hugs for this sorry story of my life), so the thought of pretending to be one is interesting. I'm not sure if it's necessarily good, but it's worth a try. Although I'd feel a bit creepy pretending to be school age again. Well, I hope my grovelling apology is ok (and that this doesn't read like ill-conceived rubbish, which it may well do). Sorry to all (especially Honey, who was only trying to be helpful in the first place). If you've read this far, you deserve a medal. Thanks. A very sheepish Marc. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister@missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo@missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
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