I had de-lurk, I couldn't resist this one. I LOVE Electronic Rennaisance. I do agree with Mick and Xavier and the early New Order reference (especially Mick's comment on B&S writing more synthy songs), but I think an even more appropriate Factory band would be OMD. ER sounds like the 'Maid or Orleans'/'Souvenir'/'Joan of Arc' days, though I'm unsure if they were still on Factory at that point. I love the fragile, off-kilter, gothic synth sounds of those three OMD songs and wish I could find more of that genre. Does anyone know what ever happened to Camouflage? As for New Order, Gillian joined in late 1980, in time to record the alternate version of Ceremony (which is different than the one on Substance, and better in my opinion). Also, the Other Two (Gillian and Stephen's) and Electronic released new ones in the past couple of months, haven't heard them yet. Sam _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister@majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo@majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+