dear all, this is a message I thought anyone might want to read. In repsonse, yes, I am well pissed off. While jeepster chat is closing for financial reasons, fair enough. but I thought some of the other comments Mr David Kitchen had to make were a little bitchy and quite frankly, backstabbing. The fact that he hasn't even bothered to tell anyone (and he has our e mail addresses at his disposal) to their face, in my opinion, adds to the fact that what he is saying is cowardly and pathetic. As a regular user of jeepster chat, I have experienced a minimal amount of abuse. Those who have abused it have always been dealt with accordingly. Thats what happens. But I think it was entirely unfair of David Kitchen to say we are unfriendly. I myself started going into jeepster chat around the same time I joined sinister. And that was at the start of the year, if anyone isn't sure. I found everyone to be friendly. Thats why I kept going there. And the majority of newomers I have seen come in have also either commented on the friendliness, and usually come back in. So what happens when you start going to a site on a regular basis? you become a regular. You chat to people, about everything and anything, you debate things, and discussions range from belle and sebastian songs, Stuart David leaving B+S, to what we have to do that day. In my case, usually far too much work that I keep postponding! And it doesn't usually seem to matter who you are chatting to. A newcomer, who is interested in talking, or another regular, who wants to know how you are getting on with life in general. So some people have insulted his boss. Well, to be honest, I'm not the type to lay down the red carpet and scatter rose petals just for someone who is deemed important. Not into arse licking myself. My tongue is nice and pink, and intend to keep it that way rather than turn it a vile shade of brown. Like I said, there are a few people who abuse chat, and are dealt with accordingly. And jeepster have our e mail addresses if they want to point fingers. I think to call jeepster chat cliquey is a bit out of order. Regulars come and go. Its the same with all chat sites, mailing sites, message boards, etc etc etc. So what made David Kitchen take a leave of his senses and start insulting those people (I feel I'm probably included in this) that regularly visit this site? People who are on the whole, a friendly bunch. I've made friends there, its not impossible. Who knows? any one got a conspiracy theory about Aliens arriving at his little office and nicking off with the real bloke? Ultimately, what it has created, is a feeling of bitterness that he has been so underhand to bitch like this. Close it for financial reasons, but don't blame the chatters for it. This is all my own opinion, and I realise not everyone will either agree with me on it, nor appreciate it. But I had to let it out. david kitchen, sod you. cheers, Idleberry

the site recives 400,000 page impressions PER WEEK the chat engine does the same.

the site costs �500 per month to keep and maintain,

through the jeepster web store (no profits are actually made since we subsidise the site).

the chat engine costs �600 per month and has no money flowing in to support it and also takes a lot of admin and is continually abused by it's users (it doesn't help when my boss goes in, and even when he tries to talk about the music, he just gets people swearing at him or talking about knickers!).

basically put, the site is a very large high

kept, it has to prove that it is worth it. the site in general has done

the chat has done the opposite, it is not proving

it is not encouraging people to listen to the other bands, it is not a welcoming place for fans any more (it was for a while), a clique has also evolved which prevents it now being the welcoming place it was.

basically the chat will be removed, and most likely when i'm self-employed i may be able to set up my own one in replace without the need for accountability, but jeepster will not host it since it costs too much and is inefficient.

site will instead try a multi-threaded bulletin board (you can keep

and if it's part of the site it will encourage use of

but barely covers it's costs maintenance one, for a service to be this, but that it is financially worth it, the jeepster these on topic the web store and may

actually cover it's costs!), but the jeepster chat is doomed.

as for buro252, i am him

cheers

david

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