Re: Sinister: Indie rock sensibilities gone horribly sour
Can i share something with the list? Alright,i will,thankyou. I've realized that what i don't like about the jock/townie whatever you call them crowd is the attitude, not the clothes. I don't own anything by Tommy Hilfiger or Phat Farm, but even if i did, it wouldn't matter. The problem is the mindset that "Because I am wearing what I am wearing, I am worth more than you" And i don't really like a lot of the popular music today, that is, TOP 40 stuff, but that's personal opinion. To their ears, belle and sebastian are probably just as repugnant. Unfortunately, Music Snobbery and Brand Name Consciousness are just as prevalent in the indie rock scene. We hate it when our heroes become popular, and widespread enjoyment of a previously underground band makes them pariahs. The mere mention of their name causes previous diehard fans to say "ooh, i only like their old stuff, you know, before they sold out" We're all so happy and smug because the pair of ratty pants we have is the antithesis of the popular style. Pride in hideously tacky Goodwill pants is no less pretentious than pride in the largest pair of Boss Jeans available.. I don't mean to point fingers at anyone. If anything, i'm one of the biggest offenders i know of.. So please don't take any offense at this. I'm just posting it in the hopes that maybe some of this list will take what i say to heart. I wish that there was more of a sense of camaraderie and unity at liking a certain style of music, rather than this "i'm more indie than you" feel i get sometimes. I'm making an effort to be a nicer person, both on the list and in my personal life, which probably won't affect any of you too much. But I'd like to apologize to anyone i may have offended. I do mean this, too. Only rock stars and millionaires can be jerks and get away with it, since they have truckloads of money. I doubt I'll ever be either. I'd rather be a nice guy. It's much more satisfying. I'm sorry if this is boring or irrelevant for any of you.. i just thought perhaps this was the best forum to voice this opinion in. take care, sinisterites... dave. (lunar tic) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister@majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo@majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
hi there everyone, dave complained about the "i'm more indie than you" mentality that he's noticed. um, what follows may in fact be utter bollocks, as most of what i write is complete crap. if i sound like an unbelievably pretentious snob, and i stamp all over everyone's fragile sensibilities, then please forgive me. that's not what i'm trying to do - i'm not that nasty really... right... i was thinking about 'scenes', such as the indie scene, the drum 'n bass scene and all the other scenes that i've fluttered around the peripharies of, and it seems to me that in any scene you get the 'believers' - the people to whom the music, art, whatever is more important than life, and who (to paraphrase iggy pop) give 'the energy, and the bodies, and the hearts, and the souls, and the time and the minds' to that scene. then other people look at these people, and admire them, and then listen to the music and think it's okay - nothing special, mind - and then when the scene becomes more accepted and 'cool' these people try to get into it - maybe they'll buy 'the best trip hop album in the world... ever!', or a pair of baggy jeans with a picture of someone smoking a spliff on them - and then it gets watered down and major record labels come in, and dumb it down so that it can be more populist, and so therefore mainstream, and then lots of money can be made. and as more and more people get into the scene for the wrong reason, and so eventually the indie scene gets reduced to hepburn, and the dance scene gets reduced to the vengaboys. when natasha and i went to see godspeed you black emperor!, the music was unbelievable, and the atmosphere created by looking down at these nine misfits from a balcony in a dank church was rather amazing. until the cool islington media types who wanted to 'check out' this 'post-rock thing' because *wallpaper, THE FACE and i-D have said it's the next big thing got bored with the subtle harmony and started shouting things like 'sing something'. which totally fucked up the whole atmosphere. thankfully, almost everyone there was heavily into the music and so the media darlings were shhhhed down. but it shows how shitty it is when people go to something because it's 'cool' and they're looking for the image kudos at work the next day rather than because they're interested in the art itself. at most gigs i go to in london it seems that the people who are really interested in the music are outnumbered by those who just want the cred they can get by being 'indie'. this isn't isolated to the indie scene - it's much worse in the world of theatre and classical music, i find. but then they're traditionally more snobbish areas, so i suppose that's to be expected. a lot of the time i think stuart from mogwai is a stupid prick (his comments about john peel, for example), even though he writes amazing tunes but something i admire in him is that he wears kappa clothes - the uniform of what many of his fans consider 'the enemy' - townies and the such. this, it seems to me, mocks those who are just indie for the sake of being teenage rebels for a bit, rather than because of the music. surely if the music's that good, he seems to be saying, why does it matter what i wear? at least, that's what it seems to me. reading interviews with him, though, i'm not convinced i've got it quite right. i've only ever come across two utterly genuine 'scenes' as such, and one of them - the sinister mailing list - isn't really a scene, just a collection of (fairly) likeminded people stretched out across the globe. but everyone (or everyone i've met) isn't here because they think it's a cool scene to be 'in' on - it's because they love the music of belle and sebastian to death. the other scene i found was a small section of the dance community in prague. people had almost no money at all, and the very little money they had they spent on admission to clubs, trying to save towards decks so that they could dj themselves and so on. one of my friends in prague had a czech boyfriend for a bit, and he worked cleaning glasses in a tourist pub all week so that he could buy three pills and the tickets for two clubnights at the weekend. because there was no money, people weren't interested in showing off their matching labels, as happened in the more american ex-pat dominated area of the dance scene, they just wanted to get high and dance for hours and hours. anyway, enough of that - now for university challenge. my sister and i run up to my room for every episode, and bitch at each other about who got the question right first. lst season i supported bangor, because they had a crazy lady who spewed out kinks lyrics at an astounding rate. but i'm sure that this season i'll support trinity cambridge. next season i might even be on it ;) but then that wouldn't be very cool, when i'm a multinational rock star, and then one of those shows like 'before they were famous' come back and find me and then no-one will buy my records anymore because they'd see that in fact i'm not a rock god, but in fact a speccy spotty geek ;) righteho, maybe i might see some of you at the picnic tomorrow, or maybe at the poetry cafe tonight, love Marcus XXX +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister@majordomo.net". 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