Jamie Huxley wrote:

i am very grateful for the lengthy and detailed discussions upon "rock 'n' roll" and its relative proximity to heaven.

however, i feel that certain arguments quickly became tied to an attempt to distinguish between rock and roll and pop. this, at least in my mind at the time of conception, was not the intended focus.

the beauty of email discussion is once you hit that send button, it's out of your jurisdiction and people will take it wherever they will... this is something i love with a passion :-)

i took it in its broader and more nebulous sense - music. the reason i say this is becase of its context; it is of course a lyric from Aztec Camera's "Somewhere in my Heart". i may be wrong, but i feel that the intensity and dynamism of this particular section of the song transcends the issue differentiation that was so eloquently, but perhaps wrongly, dwelt on. if indeed, music is to remembered as "little moments", i believe the value of the moment should be respected.

it seems to me that we're arguing to the same end point around a nebulous phrase. i wholeheartedly put my hand in the air and plead 'guilty' to making distinctions in my own interpretation of my moments, and make the arbritrary choice of the word 'Pop' over 'rock'n'roll' simply because Vic Godard made such a strident point about it, and that someone like Lawrence also made the same choice. referential reverence... which is entirely Pop because Pop is obsessive, and is obsessively about the moment of transendence... it's always about reaching (back) to That Moment / That Feeling. Call it what you want... but i don't think that just saying 'music' is enough. 'music' is just the empty potential, because not all music makes me feel That Feeling. You need to make the distinction between that which does, and that which does not. You might, as Kevin Pearce has said, say simply 'Great' or 'Not Great', but i don;t think that's expressive enough. I choose the word Pop because i feel it annoys enough people, and because it sounds right! :-) are we through yet? the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent@mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister@majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------