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just been reading simon reynolds 1989(?) book 'blissed out' and reading again about the whole dreampop thang, and ohhh, i still like that whole loop bit, but spacemen 3? and the excuses reynolds makes for prog rock... hmmm. dubious. wonder what he'd make of belle & sebastian?
Aside from 'Blissed Out', which I found fairly cheaply recently, the last thing I remember Reynolds writing was that we had had enough (too many?) fantastic songs and that what music needed was a load of noise that superceded the song (he wouldf justify such babble by going on about 'jouissance' and 'the demolition of self' and suchlike which is all very well until you realise he's doing it because, basically, he likes the Young Gods). No doubt he'd hate Belle and Sebastian for the reason that they are the best songwriters operating in the whole of pop music today. Or he'd slip into the easy stereotype of calling them twee and childlike and then bung that stuff about how the whole enterprise is the pop music version of anorexia, which I always thought was a duff argument (to broadly summarise, he said that anorexia was all about refusing one's status as an adult and the consequent pressures and responsibilities of the world; he then identified Talulah Gosh as doing the same thing). 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tim said that reynolds said:
what music needed was a load of noise that superceded the song (he wouldf justify such babble by going on about 'jouissance' and 'the demolition of self' and suchlike which is all very well until you realise he's doing it because, basically, he likes the Young Gods).
young gods. not good. not good at all...
No doubt he'd hate Belle and Sebastian for the reason that they are the best songwriters operating in the whole of pop music today.
yeah, he has/had a problem with singer/songwriters, didn't he?
he'd slip into the easy stereotype of calling them twee and childlike and then bung that stuff about how the whole enterprise is the pop music version of anorexia, which I always thought was a duff argument (to broadly summarise, he said that anorexia was all about refusing one's status as an adult and the consequent pressures and responsibilities of the world; he then identified Talulah Gosh as doing the same thing).
interesting, because what i wrote to myself just last night, whilst thinking about the manner of my own Pop Obsession in general and my personal interest in Belle & Sebastian in particular was as follows. chin up kids. the duke. what i wrote: In a pub once Tim suggested that all Great Pop is written from the perspective of being 16. Not that all Great Pop was ABOUT being 16, but rather that it encompassed a certain sense of excitement and tremulous anticipation that the IDEA of being 16 conjures in us. I find this argument seductive, just as I find seductive the idea that the moment to which we return and find each time slightly altered by the passing of our elliptical routes before we then embark on another of those roads to (inevitably) nowhere, is also rooted deeply in adolescence. Richard Hell once suggested that adolescence was the most important part of your life, and that the extent to which you stay true to the ideals you develop at that time is the extent to which you stay Alive. And I think this hits on the point I feel I currently find myself believing in more and more. Perhaps this is the eternal curse and saving grace of the Pop Generation, or at least the Pop obsessives; that the refusal to accept the responsibility of adulthood and the fact that we find Pop altering our perceptions of importance results in an ongoing obsession with a return to adolescence. That the true revolutionary spirit of Pop is not to overthrow governments and systems of media oppression through direct action, but by collusion, by exisiting in a peter pan like bubble of myopia. Perhaps, like the ModsÂ’ pharmaceutically induced disinterest in sex, the Pop generation will grow to refuse the concept of family, will deny the importance of familial responsibility in favour of the endless song, the endless rave, the endless summer of love. One can but hope. -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent@mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister@majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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