Sinister: Not in the face! Not in the face!
Hullo, Jarkko FrXntilX writes...
Ok, on to other stuff now. I've been thinking, all you guys seem to be quite big fans of you-know-what-band. Well, maybe we should have a discussion about the WORST songs from B&S. Maybe some kind of a "worst three songs by B&S" discussion? Hmmm, hard, I know. But I just listened to "You made me forget my dreams", and I thought it was a bit:
a) Dull, musically and
b) lyrically a bit daft.
'Cause I have a hunch that you guys CAN be objective about music, even about B&S... Some people have critisized "The gate" in here, but I cant really say a thing about it since I STILL don't have that new single/EP/whatever it is. Fooking recordstore, they're slow as hell...
The reason no one has done this is because you can't be objective about music, as it is...ta da, a subjective medium, like painting, pottery, performance art, lithography, printmaking, mixtape-making, or e-mailing. Well, all but that last one. You can sometimes find a lot of people who like one song, or a lot of people who don't like a song, but there is usually someone who likes each B&S song, even "You Made Me Forget My Dreams." Just because someone is in the minority on something, it doesn't make them wrong, at least in this case. For instance, I finally got the DJMARSBAR EP and I think that Modern Rock Song is one of the most boring B&S songs ever. Now, as I've noted in people's reviews, I'm not alone in disliking it. I don't feel that just because I don't like it, it's objectively bad, as that's just silly. I just don't happen to like it. To me it sounds like B&S covering themselves, and doing it rather uninspired and long-winded. The lyrics certainly are ace, though. Just a few differences between the studio and the session versions. Okay, and whoever said The Gate was their worst song, it appears to have set out quite a debate. It *does* sound a lot like Go Sailor (Tiger Trap and T. Gosh were too punk to sound like that, most of the time) but in a charmingly B&S way. Yes, the lyrics aren't the wonderfullest, and yes, the chorus is kinda weak, but I still like the song a lot. It reminds me of some solo material my friend did, except I like her voice better than Isobel's (and 99% of the other humans on this planet) and she doesn't have a small orchestra of Glaswegians backing her. Oh, and the organ bits at the end of the song sound like they were nicked from the amazing session version of Sleep the Clock Around. Nice to hear them, finally, a shame they weren't on Sleep the Clock Around though, it might have turned out a bit better. Gotta hurry, so this'll be quicker... I Know Where the Summer Goes, nice surprise there, didn't expect it to sound so good. Live it wasn't really amazing, but recorded it is a relaxing jaunt along the lines of most of TWATTYBUS. And lastly, Slow Graffitti is wonderful, utterly. Somehow it even surpasses the session, probably because you can hear all the parts. I can't say a whole lot about it, and if I do I'll probaly be late for work, so I'll just let that be all about it. I must say that without The Gate to break it up, this EP might grate on me as sounding too similar, and might get me wondering if B&S had gotten in a rut. Well, without the Gate and SLow Graffitti I guess. /"\_/"\_/"\ Mick McMick - bp224995@ohiou.edu - ICQ#5056758 \ / Sandcastle Records - (same e-mail for now) | | Sandcastle Homepage - | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Amphitheatre/4972/ | | "I am always wishing to make people | | in the world happy with my smiles." | | - Mr. Friendly +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo@majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
i don't have much to say but heres what i do: Music is 70% subjective and 30% objective nothing outside of our own little heads can be completely subjective says i music is certainly mostly about what you enjoy but there is such a thing as good music and bad music to a point i dont really claim to know how to judge it except by instinct (i may dislike some kinds of music but for most of it i can appreciate it as good or bad based on what i learned in music classes which i attended when i didnt oversleep i spose the way you choose to judge is subjective which sort of makes everything i say meaningless but i dont mind being meaningless so i guess ill continue i mean if someone is playing a, c, and g chords and screaming and banging their heads on drums in straight quarter notes and just hitting the strings on their bass with no particular reason, its pretty safe to say that is bad music, stupid music, perhaps you enjoy stupid loud music but that doesnt make it good as far as im concerned, and if you're pushing some buttons that give you 3000000 beats per minute and another one that makes a funy noise at the down beat and another that makes another funny noise at the up beat that aint no good music its silly and painful and evil you may like inducing a brain hemerage (sp) dont make it good music for me it pretty much boils down to two factors: 1)how one uses what one has, if you have an acordian and play it like the chick in Revenge Of The Nerds then you suck, but if you use it in a godly manner as did Saint Astor Pizzolo then you should be worshipped for your almighty powers 2)what you intend to do with what you have and whether or not its successfull, if you're trying to be simple to express something or droning to represent a mood or whatever then thats perty cool assuming it works 1 alone would leave me an annoying jazz and such snob and i cant be that cause i like to bop around to bouncy fairly simple music, and 2 alone would leave me accepting hip hop and pop shlop dumbasses and icky gooey people as good which i just cant do there are sub categories lik: is it inventive, but that doesnt mean that only the first band to do something is good, and is it creative (did the person not just poop it out was it conscious to a point or was there some magical power at work that made it spiffy) as for having good taste, i use that term way too much, good taste goes so far and then educated uneducated taste comes in, there are really spiffy people who like wunnerful music on instinct without knowing that the song is a chaccone (i love that word) or has a wacky time signature or something along those lines and a lot of the time i wish i was still like that, it was simpler and i didnt get as defensive about music as i do now and then there are people who dont know that and have bad taste in music and listen to evil things becaus ethey dont know what they're hearing thats just sort of ignorance then there are people who learn all the theory and what not and still like crap and thats bad or something i hope at least some of this made sense, god its long, there was more i was gonna say but no one will want to read it so i wont bother oh if anyone thought this was sposed to be some all encompassing i know how to judge music so if you dont do it this way you suck thing and it sounded like it i apologize it wasnt sposed to, though this seems the best way to me ----ev np-Eggs-Teenbeat 96 Exploder (definitely good music once it hits, though im sure not for everyone) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo@majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
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