funky seb wrote: "Jake wrote lots of opinions that made lots of people shout at him. Well, that's probably all over, so I won't comment." and then he proceeded to comment: "my mate in america says everyone in new jersey, is fat, so they must be." Erm, just a tiny technical point here- NO I FUCKING DIDN'T. I have no idea where the new jersey comment originated, but it certainly wasn't from me. Look, I left the list 'cause it was clear that I was winding some people up, intentionally or otherwise, and I don't mind when people have a go at me 'cause they find what I write offensive, but I'm not going to sit back and be laid into over things that I haven''t said and certainly don't believe. I've never said anything on this list about any nationalities being fat, lazy stupid, or whatever, basically because I don't believe that, and never have. If you remember, I posted the other day on how much I loved the idea of hearing about other B&S fans on other continents. And I agree that, like Tag said: <<those responsible for this patronising "I don't like the rest of your people, but you're OK" attitude (should) grow up, or shut the fuck up. >> I don't know what I've done to Todd, to make him post this tirade of lies; all I hope is that the rest of you realise that there is no truth in that mail at all. The only thing I did say was that I'd be pretty fucked up without my local pub.And I made a shit joke about Rikki Lake's audiences being bitter deficiant. For that, I apologise. It was only an attempt to structure my e mail. You know, a running joke? Oh for goodness' sake. Todd wrote: <<el duque wrote:"One public response to another obvious public moment of idiocy is fine, but it doesn't have to become an ongoing list debate. You want to argue about whether Kenny was joking or not, and whether that joke was funny, and if so or not, then erm take it in private." well said duke.>> well said Todd. In that case, maybe you could be so polite as to explain what the hell your post's all about in private? Rather than to 700 people who only know me by what other people write about me. I look forward to hearing your explanations. I actually unsubbed a few days ago, and I only saw this rubbish when I was looking in the digest for espadrille's address. I don't see myself re subbing, so can any fall out from this be cc'd to me? Ta. Someone who doesn't realise what a facistic, glamourous pretty boy I *obviously* am wrote: <<SEB, cheer me up with another one of your pub descriptions..that was GORGEOUS.>> OK. This one's of your favourite local- where every stain means something, a place that you know you spend too much time in, but you don't regret it. The plastic wood veneer is like mahogany to you, and you know the snug better than you know your own lounge. There's an empty skip parked outside the window. And past the wilting geraniums in their shrinking earth, through the yellow net curtains, unwashed since the landlord had to go, you can just see the men coming to start work, with their sledgehammers. bye seb +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo@majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+