i love verve...i know i shouldn't be talking about them here since they their own separate list but i think early verve is amazing. Jared just for some B&S info, i love B$S too ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister@majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------