Sinister: Saturday Superstore
Such is my level of boredom at the moment that I feel the urge to join in the Tigermilk discussion. My fantastic idea is to release bits of Tigermilk, some demos, some radio sessions and whatever else comes to mind, as a Hatful of Hollow style stop-gap release. I think Hatful of Hollow is the best Smiths album, because it's all jumbled up and got a nice picture in the middle. That's it really. Bit rubbish I'm afraid. I've also decided that nice paper or cardboard is more important than any gimmicky promotional tricks. But if you're going to do gimmicky promotional tricks, I suggest following in the footsteps of The Cramps and making a nudie-twist video. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister@majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Peter Miller and/or Arantxa Ubieta wrote:
Such is my level of boredom at the moment that I feel the urge to join in the Tigermilk discussion.
My fantastic idea is to release bits of Tigermilk, some demos, some radio sessions and whatever else comes to mind, as a Hatful of Hollow style stop-gap release. I think Hatful of Hollow is the best Smiths album, because it's all jumbled up and got a nice picture in the middle.
That's it really. Bit rubbish I'm afraid.
I've also decided that nice paper or cardboard is more important than any gimmicky promotional tricks. But if you're going to do gimmicky promotional tricks, I suggest following in the footsteps of The Cramps and making a nudie-twist video.
Peter
I would like to retract all of the above. It was the result of boredom. I don't think anyone was accusing B&S of ripping Bob Dylan off, just pointing out a similarity. I am sad enough to have read books in which people not only dissect Dylan lyrics to make them suit their own ends, they also go to the trouble of pointing out where Bobby borrowed the tunes from in the first place. I'm all in favour of borrowing tunes, words or whatever else. In a recent review Edwyn Collins was accused of stealing a riff from The Velvet Underground. But they nicked it from Marvin Gaye, and I doubt very much that Marvin was the first to use it. I'm sure there are thousands of other examples. So I think pointing it out is just a bit of fun, not a case of "a-ha! Caught you red-handed Murdoch!" or anything like that. Just in case anyone was upset or anything. Can anyone tell me what "This Life" is? I see it referred to a lot, but I don't know what it is. I know what "This is Your Life" is. Still on a telly vibe: Did anyone bother to watch the B&S-less Top of the Pops last night? What were the Spicies doing in India? Elephant races? Archdeacon of Pop: I'm afraid I've lost your message somehow. That's why I haven't answered, not because I'm an ignorant bugger or anything. David: Can't help you with French, but should you ever receive anything in Spanish, I will be juming up and down with glee at the prospect of translating it. Or the other way round. Ou est allez vous Tigermilk magnetophonique peut etre chien aux wheels? Peter here's our fabulous business card:
My fantastic idea is to release bits of Tigermilk, some demos, some radio sessions and whatever else comes to mind, as a Hatful of Hollow style stop-gap release. I think Hatful of Hollow is the best Smiths album, because it's all jumbled up and got a nice picture in the middle.
yeah, think that's a nice idea, but it wouldn't be worth it until after the NEXT LP... they need to have that charting LP to get them the kudos to do such a thing. (and remember, when HOH came out, the Simths had already had a top twenty single...)
That's it really. Bit rubbish I'm afraid.
but only a bit :-)
I've also decided that nice paper or cardboard is more important than any gimmicky promotional tricks.
ooh yes, for sure. Make an interesting package for the records and you'll get people's interst for sure. Or at least all the designers. I do think they need to break out of that Smithsy/80s indie style on their sleeves though. Sigh, much as i like them and all... They could do booklet sleeves, where there's a story in the centre pages or something, like those Sugarfrost 7"s of a few years back. And i remember Friends Again having a double 7" with booklet in the middle, lots of nice photos of them aorund Hamilton and Glasgow. And a great Fraser Taylor cover design. that's all... the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent@mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister@majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------
As nice as the idea is of sending Belle and Sebastian on a tour of primary and secondary schools is, I feel that maybe this is the wrong direction for them to take. Before we know it there will be Belle and Sebastian dolls, maybe a saturday morning cartoon show (New Kids On The Block anyone?) their latest single will only be available to those people who collect 50 gin bottle labels and they will be doing the advert for UK Gold, dressed in short skirts and wearing too much make-up. This is not the future I envisage for B&S, in fifty years I want my children to talk in hushed whispers about a strange mythical band, a band who never did interviews, rarely played gigs and yet crafted songs of such poise and beauty, songs whose lyrics are the soundtrack to a thousand lost days. Bands like B&S do not need the mainstream, their popularity demonstrates this, the mainstream needs them. Like so many however, the media makes icons only to shoot them down (Stone Roses). Belle and Sebastian never openening a supermarket near you. I hope. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister@majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------
ps115 wrote:
As nice as the idea is of sending Belle and Sebastian on a tour of primary and secondary schools is, I feel that maybe this is the wrong direction for them to take. Before we know it there will be Belle and Sebastian dolls, maybe a saturday morning cartoon show (New Kids On The Block anyone?) their latest single will only be available to those people who collect 50 gin bottle labels and they will be doing the advert for UK Gold, dressed in short skirts and wearing too much make-up. This is not the future I envisage for B&S,
with respect, i think you miss the appeal of Pop. i used to feel the same, and maybe it's age and mellowing that makes me feel different, i dunno, but i really don't see why belle & sebastian shouldn't go ahead and play the Pop Game (by their own rules as much as possible) and win. At least win to some extent, i mean, they ain't gonna bring down the walls of established music biz, but hey... I HATE the idea that b&s will be some wanky safe little cosy 'respected' group, talked about in hushed reverence. I get a shiver if i think about them being given big features in 'Q' saying how worthy and artful they are... Sure, discuss the social and political implications of Pop (and that's important i feel, because, um, i like the idea that people investigate and think about what they consume, but that's another matter..), but don't forget that important point you seem to be maybe missing, and which i try to point out in my recent review of 3,6,9 : 'They sound fucking great!' See, don't talk about b&s in hushed tones in your little cliques, go shout it on the high street, go write their name in the sand, paint it on walls, grafitti your school, your bus shelters. B&S rule the school. Make posters yourselves and flypost your town (we used to do this in troon with Sarah records...), make some homemade badges and give them to strangers. I don't care, but just DON'T make them a group that you keep locked away in your closet. keep the faith, the duke of harringay, Pop Evangelist. -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent@mail.zynet.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister@majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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duke of harringay -
Peter Miller and/or Arantxa Ubieta -
ps115