STOMP STOMP STOMP, Oh dear Mark, picking on Jeepster is not very nice is it? Especially seeing as neither David or Katrina are here to defend themselves and the label. So in their absence I challenge you to a playground fight, I know that the might of Big Dave Kitchen would have been more frightening, and that Katrina would be on the side cheering him on, but i'll do my best.................. But before the fight starts, I'd just like to say may last words, with around 800 people listening. I'm not even going to put on the Katrina wig for this bit, this is me speaking, no jeepster connections, nowt, just a fan....... Do you not think that if Belle and Sebastian were on a label they might have turned out a little different? There would have been 3 singles of sinister, the 3rd would have made the charts, and then would come the 2nd album (to a major) and it wouldn't be a arab strap at all, think la pastie, and again, and again, and again. A major wouldn't care about the music, they'ld care about hits and money and thats it. They would have either ended up like gorkys (ie dumped by the label) or just a pop/indie band , and I'm happy with what I've got now, thanks very much. The Band didn't want that either, they signed to jeepster because of the freedom they were offered and got, they could, undoubtably, have signed for more money elsewhere but they would have lost control of the music. If you want a band that'll be on radio one all the time go and love gomez........... (or the divine comedy, Neil has just signed to parlophone for £1m, and just watch him become pish) Now back to that fight.. [rolling his sleeves up] love to all jake +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo@majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
jake, do you have connections with Jeepster? business or otherwise??? i'm just intrigued, i just wondered why the 'me with my fan hat on' thing... but whatever. Here's me with my very foolish looking (ab)normal person's chapeau on: if you think that Jeepster is really any different to any other record label, maybe you need to remove the indie-blinkers. Jeepster is a record COMPANY, and the job of a record company is to make money. How do you think they manage to pay the members of their bands lovely plump salaries, as well as those of the lovely folks like David and Katrina. Personally i can't decide if Jeepster have been very shrewd or just very very lucky with B&S... i wonder if the band had not had the sorts of feelings about the way their records are produced and marketed, whether Jeepster would have treated them any different to the other un-named labels you pour so much scorn on. i wonder if someone at Jeepster just had the sense to know that B&S would get big because, well they sounded so fucking GREAT, and that in the long run the whole procedure for putting out records the way they do and not doing interviews, well that would all just help build the myth in the right places. It worked of course, and maybe you'd need to be extremelly naive to think that isn't a marketing strategy all by itself. Or just horribly cynical to think it is. It's been three short years, and look: B&S CDs next to Billie, full page colour ads in music press. And in case you were wondering, the full page ad is to MAKE PEOPLE BUY THE RECORDS, which IS TO MAKE MORE MONEY. i personally think Jeepster is weird... i mean, how could they be so prescient in signing B&S and then be so full of myopia when signing the mediocre at best Salako, and the abominable Snow Patrol? To me, those two groups make EXACTLY the kind of second rate indie sounds that you like to think all the 'evil' labels are touting. i'm not damning Jeepster, i'm just saying that they're working in the same system as anyone else in the business, and i don't think that the folks in charge are naive enough to think they are doing anything else but being a business. They might have started out as being more passion and belief than anything else, but so did Creation. Sooner or later, when success arrives, the goals change. It's fair enough. And i don't think Jeepster has anything like the cred or kudos of early Creation, simply because they don't have enough talent on their records.
If you want a band that'll be on radio one all the time go and love gomez........... (or the divine comedy, Neil has just signed to parlophone for £1m, and just watch him become pish)
but the Divine Comedy have always been pish. And i get kids telling me they heard B&S on radio one all the time, i just don't listen myself... for obvious reasons (i'm old and have better things to do with my life). keep the faith kids, the duke ------------------------------------------ 'all of our dreams are dying of overdoses' ------------------------------------------ Tangents On-Line http://www.tangents.co.uk PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent@lineone.net ------------------------------------------ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo@majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
And in case you were wondering, the full page ad is to MAKE PEOPLE BUY THE RECORDS, which IS TO MAKE MORE MONEY.
Quite right here really, and I also don't know of anyone who has received a legal letter from the 'evil' major labels threatening action on a suggestion that they're about to make a copy of an album. Certainly not on a record that's not owned by the record label. We've had this argument time and time again on this list, and it's just daft. If I thought major record labels didn't care enough about music to put out good stuff, I'd have to dump about 80% of my record collection. It's daft believing majors are different from indies. Often too, major labels pay employees for doing things like putting a load of singles into envelopes and sending them off. One of my favourite labels of the nineties was Mo'Wax, a label that's got Tory written all over it. Every record's in the ridiculous sleeve and they all cost about 6 quid - for singles. Plus they continually re-release almost identical things, that are just different enough for people to want to shell out more money for them, but it's really just skinning money off the fans. Weejay, I suppose the reason JJ didn't think your letter was a joke was that it bloody well didn't look like one. It's a pity indeed you say when it things on the list come to this, and it'd be a pity if you decided you had to leave on this basis. However, saying things like : <<Oh Tag, I feel your pain, of course. But you know, bygons may be bygons but this isn't a bygone, if you follow me. But don't. Alright, I forgive you for being a waste of space. *Mwa* there, that's better isn't it? Now go play with brad.>> Does strike me as rather patronising too, and it's hard to believe that you're surprised JJ didn't get the "joke". I'm glad you didn't mean it to sound like that. But next time it might be better making it a spot clearer. Cheers, Keith. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo@majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
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