Sinister: Tigermilk (Clearing things up)
Hello, I would like to clear a few things up regarding my previous post. 1. I wanted a copy of "Tigermilk" on tape. I was going to put it on a recordable CD (this process apparently takes 3 hours !) to save me having to keep it on tape. My tape player eats tapes and a copy would last a fortnight. 2. It is costing me an Inspiral Carpets milk bottle (down to my last 2 now) to get it copied. 3. I was never intending to bootleg it at all. Merely recording it on to CD as opposed to cassette. Is there a difference between different recording medias ? Where does mini disc stand ? So many people have had cassettes copied for them - are they too going to be threatened by legal action by Jeepster ? If I was going to be starting a widespread bootlegging operation (which would be hard without any relevant equipment) would I really have advertised so blatantly this fact, knowing full well that people close to the band are on this list ? When I referred to copying, I meant onto tape cassette. I would have thought a master copy on CD would have been better to tape off than continually using tapes (I know owners of originals don`t play theirs often). 4. Finally, could I say how shocked I was when I got this in my mailbox: "Dear David, Please note that it is illegal to bootleg onto CD, and that if you are found to be breaking the law in this way, Jeepster will not hesitate to take legal action against you." Not EMI, or Warners, or Polygram. But Jeepster. Thanks, you made my day (not). Cheers, David (Feeling down and a bit disillusioned). ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister@majordomo.net . Nee nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa -----------------------------------------------------------------------
David Walker wrote:
4. Finally, could I say how shocked I was when I got this in my mailbox:
"Dear David, Please note that it is illegal to bootleg onto CD, and that if you are found to be breaking the law in this way, Jeepster will not hesitate to take legal action against you."
I agree with you. I have had arguments with list members involved with the record company but still never received plausible answers. WHY is it illegal to put Tigermilk on CD but tapes are ok? I don't believe this at all. I'm sure David here wasn't attempting to sell them to anyone. And as far as I know, Tigermilk was on Electric Honey Records, not Jeepster. So I'd like to know what the connection here is. And I don't want to hear rubbish about 'protecting the band's interest'. My cassette copy is good enough for me to nip down to a pressing plant and run off some copies, if I could afford it, or wanted to, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. But I won't. So come on, someone say something interesting about this. Don't be all shy and quiet. JJ x ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister@majordomo.net . Nee nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Please note that it is illegal to bootleg onto CD,
'home taping is killing music, and it's illegal' blah blah blah. D'you remember when we oldsters regaled against these idiotic messages on the inner covers for LPs? Oh how we laughed... killing music indeed. ah well, anything to help the bugger on it's way and all that. Quite simply, unless education starts coming into it, it is illegal to make a copy of someone elses work, full stop. It doesn't matter a buggery if, in the case of recorded music, it's being copied onto cassette tape (ferric, metal, or otherwise), reel to reel tape, CD, mini-disc, ZIP disc or bloody wax roller thingy doo-dah. I agree that it's appaling that a label like Jeepster should start making such awful threats to FANS, and i hate to say that because i still love you Katrina :-) and David and everyone... And JJ is right, there's a load of us with copies on mini-disc, tape and whatever that could, if we wanted, go down a dodgy pressing plant and get Tigermilk bootlegged. Some kid with a CDR is NOT going to be a threat. It's going to be laughable in a few years time when CDRs are standard on PCs... it'll just take over from cassette tapes. Big deal. So come on jeepster, stop playing it by the muddled record company bad guys rules and start seeing things as they really are. After all, the kids are alright :-) (if a bit apathetic. hugs to Sarah) keep your eyes on the ball. the duke -- i'm not brave, i'm not special, i'm not any of those things. ------------------------------- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent@lineone.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister@majordomo.net . Nee nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa -----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Dear David, Please note that it is illegal to bootleg onto CD, and that if you are found to be breaking the law in this way, Jeepster will not hesitate to take legal action against you."
Not EMI, or Warners, or Polygram. But Jeepster. Thanks, you made my day (not).
Cheers, David (Feeling down and a bit disillusioned).
deja vu, anyone? this must be a form letter or something. -brad ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister@majordomo.net . Nee nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa -----------------------------------------------------------------------
In the run-up to the new belle and sebastian album and in light of the continuing flak that we are taking regarding defending the bands rights re: Tigermilk Bootlegs we will be unsubscribing from the sinister list. We hope that you continue to create a communal feel for everyone that subscribes and that some time in the future we'll feel like subscribing again. We will endeavour to keep you in touch with all the happenings with belle and sebastian, the merchandise and jeepster happenings via the news mailing list on the fan club site (if you're on sinister you'll receive this anyway.). Thanks for the fun times see some of you at the picnics and hopefully at the social. our e-mail will remain open for correspondence should anyone wish to mail us. David Kitchen (d.kitchen@virgin.net) Katrina House (jeepster.uk@virgin.net) PS: David Walker, Katrina will respond to you via private mail when she gets in the office on tuesday. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister@majordomo.net . Nee nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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