Like the BBC I'm sending on this note Tim sent me to redress the right-left bias. Tim worried that it would spark more debate and he was right too, but frankly, people shouldn't express socio-political opinions and expect others to not want to reply to the same forum of people. And frankly, sod it, I agree with Tim who put more eloquently what I would have said. But please, having made this 1-1, LET IT END. This really is not what I set this mailing list up for and my server can't take the strain of a heated political debate which has *nothing* to do with the band or our direct personal experiences. And don't go saying "everything is politics" because I reckon I can equally well say "everything is love" and spend two hours of your time telling you about my first sexual experiences with a camel. Oh and don't suspect too quick a reply rate to other stuff today - at home. Actually it'll probably be quicker. Loving you all dearly still, even those who hang to the right. But I mean it, don't rage about this one or I'll ask Tony Benn to stamp on you all. "Mixing pop and politics, they ask me what the use is. I offer them embarrassment and my usual excuses." Honey xxx -- Thank you for not discussing the outside world. (Exactly) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:23:49 -0000 From: Hopkins T <t.hopkins@lancaster.ac.uk> To: Honey <honey@Majordomo.net> Subject: brief help, please, Paul... Northy wrote: >Sorry but this is a load of horseshit. And went on to prove himself right. >I am fed up with people having a go at people just because they are >affluent. Oh yeah? You know what I'm fed up with? Let me give you a few examples... > People are selfish and do not love each and every man on >the street. It is human fucking nature. I'm fed up with fuckers trying to tell me that human nature is fixed and absolute and -oh!- just happens to coincide with the way that those who hold ALL the cards in the developed world (and hence the world) want it. >Rich people are not inherently evil. I hate the way people say this. I'm fed up with people rallying to the defence of the rich when the rich can look after themselves very well, thank you very much. This isn't just you, Northy, it's all over the place. >The way I see it is that in life you have to ignore all the shit and >just find love and then find yourself a cosy corner to enjoy it. I'm fed up with people who don't understand that not everyone has access to a 'cosy corner' to enjoy the love that they've found. I'm fed up with tossers getting sanctimonious (again, not necessarily you, Northy) when ordinary people haven't managed to pull themselves 'up' by their bootstraps and find their way into the middle class. I'm fed up with people who have tried to find a cosy corner still getting shat on from a great height 'cos they picked the wrong firm to work for, got too old, got sick, got tired, whatever. I'm not saying I'm homeless, that I'm unemployed, on the breadline or whatever (tho' I'm not rich either...) but that doesn't stop me from being sickened by the way our society is organised. >Sure, lets get communist and get Belle and Sebastian censored. Northy, you what? What the hell are you talking about? Like capital doesn't censor through control of the means of communication? Pop music, folks, pop music is the easiest and loudest way to regain (at least briefly) some access to mass communication...but of course it gets eaten up and mediated soon enough. It's one of the reasons why pop is inherently political, why participating in pop is different, and remains different to, say, watching the telly or going to see a film. And participating in pop is probably more effective than getting involved with any of those dull no life no joy bunches of patronising ultra-leftist prats, too. >Please do not reply to the list to this. Couldn't stop myself, sorry. Anyway, if you didn't want a reply, you shouldn't have written in the first place. >Peace list In the words of the once very great Cathal Coughlen, 'Send me love and peace, two more things I can't afford...' >Oh....and no offence about the comment Sarah! Oh, and no offence about the e-mail, Northy. Tim ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister@majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------