Re: Sinister: Tigermilk (Clearing things up)
David Walker wrote:
4. Finally, could I say how shocked I was when I got this in my mailbox:
"Dear David, Please note that it is illegal to bootleg onto CD, and that if you are found to be breaking the law in this way, Jeepster will not hesitate to take legal action against you."
I agree with you. I have had arguments with list members involved with the record company but still never received plausible answers. WHY is it illegal to put Tigermilk on CD but tapes are ok? I don't believe this at all. I'm sure David here wasn't attempting to sell them to anyone. And as far as I know, Tigermilk was on Electric Honey Records, not Jeepster. So I'd like to know what the connection here is. And I don't want to hear rubbish about 'protecting the band's interest'. My cassette copy is good enough for me to nip down to a pressing plant and run off some copies, if I could afford it, or wanted to, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. But I won't.
I own a copy of the tape, and would prefer a copy of a CD because of the permanence of the media. I can't see my love of the band dying before my tape falls apart. The first thing I did when getting the tape was to burn a copy for playing, and now I only use the original to dub copies. The real solution is for the Jeepster to re-release the album, on vinyl and CD. The real issue is that the band are far more popular than the 1000 original copies can supply. I don't know of any one on this list, into the band enough to go through the lengths it takes to get a copy of Tigermilk who wouldn't go to the CD shop and buy one if it were available. I hope I can do this before I burn out my tape. RE-RELEASE TIGERMILK!!!, or accept the fact that we'll distribute it amongst ourselves, to share the good fortune of those of us lucky enough to own it with those sweet people we meet through the list who don't have it. That's what this is really about. People want to hear the music, we love the band, and wonder what the big fuss is about. I know I was desperate to find out what it was like, and was pleasantly surprised upon my first listen, but also a little disappointed, because it had become such a big deal to me. With that said, the next 5 folks who request it to me via private e-mail will get copies of my tape. I don't own a CD-R , so that's not an option here. I'd prefer to send them to others in the US, but if you need one across the pond, ask away! (PS- Denver & Boulderites, you guys are already on my dubbing list, check your personal e-mail!) lovingly devoted, but trying to balance the rights of fellow fans with the rights of artistic ownership of the band, Chrispy chrisp1@worldnet.att.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister@majordomo.net . Nee nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa -----------------------------------------------------------------------
On Sun, 3 May 1998, Chris Borne wrote:
The real solution is for the Jeepster to re-release the album, on vinyl and CD.
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RE-RELEASE TIGERMILK!!!
The call echoed around the world - but it's important to remember that it's the *band* who don't want to release it yet - and they've signalled their intention to do so at "some" time in the future. Just for fun here's two excerpts from the "pish" chat - "belleandsebastian" is Stuart Smirnoff talking (and note me putting on my sensible trousers): <eilatana> How do you feel about the fact that now hundreds of people have a taped copy of Tigermilk and it will soon be circulated to many more around the worl d via tape exchanges? <StuartD> Dear eilatana, who gives a fuck... <honey> well its a serious question Stuart - is the answer that you dont? <StuartD> No * huxley - 9 people have asked if tigermilk will be re-issued (or rather pleaded), but don't want to ask you themselves. so what of it? <belleandsebastian> TMilk will be out sometime <belleandsebastian> I'm sorry, it hasn't been the right time to release it and make a good job of it David and Katrina have left the list now, which I think is a pity but I guess they have their reasons - tangling the list up with Jeepster's official position was always a problem and nice though a job is, it's hard when it gets mixed up with your friends. Let's just make it clear once more that this list doesn't represent the record company, band or anyone - it represents YOU, and it's completely independent. Jeepster have taken a position on this with regard to specific media types and I've got to say in my opinion the distinction always *was* going to get them a slagging, because it's artificial - of course copyright makes no reference to whether the medium is digital or analogue. They don't want to know if you're doing it, privately, for non-profit, ok, and I guess because people kept telling the list, they felt they had to cover their ears and leave. My interpretation. <sensible trousers off> Bearing in mind we all accept that this list fills a gap in all our lives when we're bored stiff or haven't got any friends, who is the saddest of them all? Just for fun I looked at the archives and foudn out who's posted the most since August last year (based on number of messages and not size). Here we go: keith@qss.co.uk (283) pjmiller@arrakis.es + oc245d8aff@colon.net (264) tangent@lineone.net + tangent@mail.zynet.co.uk (181) honey@Majordomo.net (175) d.kitchen@virgin.net + bluesoda@totalweb.co.uk (151) jeepster.uk@virgin.net (149) mctag@mcmail.com (111) sarah@elsato97.demon.co.uk (107) rod@begbie.com (99) parachute@earthlink.net (94) blink@inexpress.net (87) johnj@seahouses.u-net.com (80) aevans@env-dept.devon-cc.gov.uk (75) John.Johnston@capgemini.co.uk (68) skg21@hermes.cam.ac.uk (66) rnorth@amos.co.uk (66) t.hopkins@lancaster.ac.uk (62) amh20@hermes.cam.ac.uk (62) kschaffe@trinity.edu (56) j.stuart@efp.com (53) cleonard@MURRAYJ.COM (51) susannah@tormentor.clara.net (50) Andrew.Dean@bull.net (49) Andreas.Hering@stud.uni-hannover.de (49) timminsc@tcd.ie (46) s9720251@student.let.uva.nl (44) nigelt@uk.uu.net (44) Aren't the top ten brilliantly predictable?! I thought this was great - Keith and Peter steam ahead in front, clearly having no friends. I'm embarrassingly antisocial too. I like the way some of them try to fool us by changing their email addresses. I did it for subjects too: no surprises for the number one slot here: Tigermilk (39) Fun for the Family! (24) TIGERMILK REGISTER (22) magnetic fields? (19) influences and a request for some taping (19) Domain membership of list (15) Belle and Sebastian Quiz (14) Arab Strap (14) Favourite track (13) An Eighties Quiz! (Minimal B&S, but what the hell) (13) 13th Note (13) Compo (12) registers... (11) Some Questions (11) Manchester Gigs (11) your mail (10) to dream the impossible dream (10) the radio song (10) that sound... (10) Sons of Showaddywaddy (10) Great last one there - I must go back and look at it in the archives. <sensible trousers on again because i'm at work> Honey xxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister@majordomo.net . Nee nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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no. 18 with abullet: and only two below the late northy. i feel validated.... espadrille ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister@majordomo.net . Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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A.M. Horne -
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Honey