well, i really don't think many people would want to know about this. but i hope speaking out would help it go off my head a bit. it was very early this year and goes something like this... i was watching tv. in some chat show. Honey was a guest. (this Honey is in reality a famous model(nude sometimes i think)/singer/actress in thailand) the host asked her why she disappeared lately. (in reality she got married and have 5 kids or something) she said she was busy running a belle & sebastian mailing list. the host said 'ahhh what a fabulous band'. much exciting noise from studio audience. Honey reached into her handbag and brought out her vinyl copy of Tigermilk, revealing that actually the girl on the cover was her (laughing viciously) then jumped up and sang her tiger song. ('Tiger/Tigress' was her first hit single 7-8 years ago. she's no good singer but interesting to look at in those tiger outfit) at this point i was waken up, to my immense relieve that it was just a dream. i can't really tell in english how rather sordid it all was. it haunts me until this day. everytime i read Paul's message, Honey's face will pop up in my head saying those words. makes me feel funny in both sense of the word. i know how stupid this is and i sincerely hope Paul won't get offended! i swear i've been trying to replace her face with your baby photo but it's not fully successful yet. SIGH... ok, now that i'm posting something i might as well tell you another story. i remember Stuart M was a boxer? this sounds very much a B&S story to me anyway. a headline news over here recently was about a boy who loves boxing and quite good at it. 17 knockouts out of 20 matches, if i remember correctly. he happens to be gay. what makes the news is that he is a very girly gay person, ie. wearing full on makeup/perfume every fight, spending 2 hours in the shower, giving interview hugging his favourite fluffy toy, etc. never saw him fight myself but i was told that once in the ring he turns out to be quite beasty, very good with his feet and knees. i cannot imagine the abuse he must have been through doing what he does. at least he's got support from his mother. nice to see people doing things their own way and happen to achieve something out of it! i'll shut up now. muchlove, oon (no middle name, sorry Paul :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister@majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------