Pinefox smiled and said:

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Who is the person who said something like the response to a work of art should be a work of art?

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Many have said things like this. Some of them have been 'artists'. (can you believe i put THOSE greater than signs on myself??)

Too true, but two truths don't make a left.

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What were his exact words?

Written down from his own memories into a series of symbols and connotations that we call language?

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Here's Ezra Pound in sunny June 1922:

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The best criticism of any work, to my mind the only criticism of any work of art that is of permanent or even moderately durable value, comes from the creative writer or artist who does the next job; and *not*, not ever from the young gentlemen who make generalities about the creator. Laforgue's Salomé is the real criticism of Salammbo; Joyce and perhaps Henry James are critics of Flaubert.

Gotta love the man that first made the Afro and sideburns look popular. AUSTIN ALLEGRO

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And the correspondence between words and things in the world is imperfect.

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That depends on what kind of thing you think words are, and what kind of work you think they do, and who (human beings vs god, for instance) put them to that work. In a sense my view on this is: there is no extra-linguistic way of knowing about the shortcomings of words in 'corresponding' to things; so to talk about imperfect correspondence may be a wrong turn.

You are going about it from the wrong end. THe orignal thought (thought1) resides within a person...that's the purest form of that thought. When we try to communicate that thought in the many forms of communication it becomes garbled by: A) our ability to comunicate B)the person's ability to negate who they are and listen c) the resulting synergy thereof

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Believe it or not, I once tried to stick something on this issue on the 'internet'. But the correspondence between my intentions and the effects of the electronic world was most imperfect.

PineFox, I do believe you have the same twisted sense of humor as I do. Seems like you'd like to agree with us...but for the sake of argument..... :)

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It would be useful to talk about something on its own terms, but what are these terms?

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I think that's a relevant question. 'Conversation' is a helpful image again: a dialogue between the terms that we take an object to provide, and the terms we (unavoidably) bring to it. We can try, maybe, to keep the conversation polite and respectful, and hope that the two sets of terms will learn from each other; although in some cases (avant-garde art; political criticism) that may not be the point.

Conversation is a good word, but communication is better. All of the things we do on this planet involve it. I know that at this moment "pure"communication is inpossible. That's communication where there is no him or you, only it. And HEGEL says.."wait! that's not what I meant!" THE Pickle Prince _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister@missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo@missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+