Re: Sinister: youth movements and stuff
Genevieve wrote:
well,honestly..i don't think there is a big big movement with belle and sebastian type youth...well,maybe there is in little unknown ways...
I actually think there is a movement going on, which we are part of. It's not about trying to change the world by smashing the system or anything, it's about tolerance and generally being nice to people. In a way it's the antithesis of the punk movement. Sure, the world isn't the best place on earth, but by friendliness, humility and consideration we can make it better. And the great thing about it is that you can see results immediately - just by being kind to someone you can make them happier. It is very different from previous 'youth' movements in that it is locally, rather than globally, minded which is why it doesn't get as much attention, but it's still going on. We are all part of it - 800 people and noone is abusive on the list ever, which is quite impressive.
heather:
This is what I consider to be so interesting about this movement, it's niceness. Please, someone, explain this to me. Are the hugs, fuzzy sweaters, comeraderie with one's parents all a symbol of a greater cultural fear of the millenial unknown, or is this for real? I love the music, but I'd like to solve the mystery of the seemingly docile youth who follow it.
i don't think they are really docile..i mean would not exactly call my relationship with my parents very comeraderie,my halo isn't exactly gleaming..i mean sure we share little stories on here,but there's a lot of darkness that people just aren't going to see...but again,maybe elsewhere these fuzzy sweater people are like that,i can only speak from what i do and see.
Well personally my family's going through a bad patch at the moment, which is why I'm dreading spending most of the next 4 weeks with my parents. The difference is that (like just about everyone in this hypothesised movement I guess) I will still do so, and try my best to keep everyone getting on with each other. Everyone gets annoyed at some things and some people - what matters is what you do about it. I would never describe myself as a hippy (although free love would go down well at times ;-) ), but I respect what they tried to achieve far more than the punks. I'm far too cynical to believe that we can all love everyone - there will always be people you don't get on with - but you have to be able to live with those people. Apologies if I'm sounding like a moral preacher, that's not what I intend at all; I'm just describing how I think most of us, and an increasing number of people in general, live our lives. And I happen to think that it's a good thing. As for a musical movement, that's a different kettle of fish. The trend over the last 5 years seems to have been a history of pop music. It started with Britpop - basically a 60s revival - and has so far been through prog, glam, 80s dance music, the current 80s crap pop revival (Stock Aitken and Waterman all over again) amongst other things, in proportion with their importance and durability at the time. Maybe B&S will slot into an acoustic revival next year, who knows. There hasn't been a genuinely new sound to any popular music since grunge (which wasn't far away from punk anyway). Have people run out of ideas? Is pop music's 50-year reign as leisure pursuit of choice for the young finally coming to an end? Reading through the above, it all seems very mellow and reflective - just the mood I'm in today I guess (partly because it's the end of term and I've been saying goodbye to loads of people, including some old friends who've been here this weekend that I haven't seen for ages and won't again for ages; and partly because I'm a bit hungover). And you've probably all given up and gone home by this point. I just wanted to set out my point of view, in case anyone agrees or indeed cares. Oh, and while I'm here, the list crush site. I've had a few emails regarding its merits of otherwise, which will all be taken into consideration. For now it's staying there, but I should warn you all that since neither David nor I will be around over the next few weeks it won't be maintained particularly; so if there's any names you want putting on the list (or taking off it) do something about it now... Big Stu In my liver: far too much beer and wine +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo@majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
anyone familiar with my reviews of belle and sebastian records will probably know already what the words below contain. for any newcomers, um, well like i say, it's only kind of a review. Anyone wants to see it on the web with it's cover scan (i did my own cos the one on jeepster is too darn orange..) can do so from the Tangents front page. oh yeah, and i feel better about The Gate, although it's still the worst track by a looong way. keep the faith, the duke. ------ the 'review' ------------ Soul Of An Unearthly [two steps step out] Standing on the quayside wrapped up in mist, it's the middle of the morning and there's nothing but the sound of beating wings. Swans are gliding near the river's surface, sweeping beneath the wire that crosses between the banks, across which the ferry once pulled before it sank at the height of the season. There's a bridge to the left, suspended in the lightness. A faint and familiar green glow emanates from the clouds to my right, as though a beacon were slowly materialising. A voice breaks the mist, whispering words I can't quite hear and don't quite want to. Chris looks strangely older than usual, although this is probably impossible, and it's more likely only my own eyes reflecting defeat. He looks at me and silently smoothes my hair with his fingers of gold. 'Things move on' he says, and then is gone. [December 7th, 1998) I'm waiting in the bar, watching the door for Jo and wondering how things come to these ways of working. I've got my third Haig and Perrier in hand. Outside the lights of the city are winking at me, twinkling white in the treetops, swaying in the light wind. There's a man who looks like my father walking past Debenhams, pointing and laughing at the plastic puppies riding exercise bicycles in the window display. The seat next to me is cold and although there's always hope, even empty expectation is lacking. It's always a cold and desperate time of life, or so Chris is always saying. I saw Isabel three weeks ago and she didn't seem to agree. She was wearing Jo's pedal-pushers and had a top of gauze underneath a snow white cardigan, despite the wind. Some people never feel the cold, and some never know the warmth of anything but a summer sun creeping up the back of their neck. If you had to choose, you'd say Jo was the former and me the latter, which explains a lot if there were any explanations to be made. Which there aren't. [dream a million and one] I'm talking to Jo again, and again it's not real. I go 'I used to dream of the sounds of the Velvet Underground being made by people my own age' to which she looks up at the campanile and frowns. I continue, and say 'there's just these folk on a stage and there's an amazing noise coming out of the air and I'm stood transfixed. Lou Reed is wearing a shirt that says 'Felt' and instead of a viola there's a cello.' Next thing I know I'm telling her about how once I wrote a whole paper on the feelings of dreamed musical moments, of how they were a response to death and anxiety about age. By now though Jo has stopped listening and is flicking through the pile of papers for recycling. She holds up a Guardian Friday Review and the cover headline says 'Interminable Three Chord Break.' [the escapapologist's heart] A small green car turns left down a farm track near a town a thousand miles away and rolls to a halt. Smiles in the sunset betray the escapapologist's heart. From a tape deck in the dashboard the sounds of slow music drift. The singer says something about imaginary friends whilst the sky turns silver and brown. Lips impossibly kiss. [the last music journalist] The new Belle & Sebastian four track EP is released on December 7th 1998 by Jeepster Records of England. The Cover is rust coloured and features a picture of Mr Alan Horne of Postcard Records of Scotland. The four songs are 'This Is Just A Modern Rock Song', 'I Know Where The Summer Goes', 'The Gate' and 'Slow Graffiti'. 'The Gate' is a song by Isobel Campbell and sounds like Tiger Trap at their slowest and sweetest. 'Modern Rock Song' is an old live favourite, according to the press release, and my friend said they heard all six minutes and more on the radio. 'I Know Where The Summer Goes' is, alongside Jonathan Richman's 'That Summer Feeling', 'Hungry Beat' by Fire Engines, and 'Summer In The City' by the Lovin' Spoonful, one of the four greatest summer songs ever written. 'Slow Graffiti' is from the soundtrack to the 'Acid House' film and is the single best song I've heard in too many years. Sublime was made for moments like this. ------------------------------------------ 'all of our dreams are dying of overdoses' ------------------------------------------ Tangents On-Line http://www.tangents.co.uk PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent@lineone.net ------------------------------------------ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo@majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
I enjoyed deeply the non review by the magnificent Duke, but just one remark about best Summer songs, my top of the tops is 'Summer Babe', Pavement. Happy not birthdays to all of you, including someone whose birthday is probably on 7th Dec. Arantxa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo@majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
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