Re: Sinister: Lovin' Spoonful
The Duke Of Harringay wrote ...
Jonathan Wren wrote:
I was eating my breakfast yesterday when, on Melody Radio (my parents choice NOT mine!) a song came on by a group called Loving Spoonfull. Now, the song was pretty insipid cack
sorry about this in advance, but i'm feeling a bit uptight today. today? ha ha! Look; if you don't realise the genius and importance of The Lovin' Spoonful then you are... lost. I mean, Pop. Aw fuck i give up. Listen to Summer In The City, or even better NAshville Cats and best of all Do You Believe in Magic. Read that again: DO YOU BELIEVE IN MAGIC?
Do you?
I don't see how you can say you love Belle & Sebastian and then say that a Lovin' Spoonful song sounds like 'cack'.. I just don't get it: they're the same sensibility, they're about the magic of Pop and life and aw, if you don't get it then i don't care anymore. You can just be ignorant for all i care.
"What can I say ?" (Jetset) ... Alistair is absolutely right, the Lovin' Spoonful were a wonderful and highly influential Sixties band which deserve so much more than being termed as "insipid cack" ... for example, bands like the marvellous Swinging Sixties quartet The Smoke named the Lovin' Spoonful as their first and foremost influence ... bringing up the thoughtless description of "insipid cack" here is the same as characterising the Beatles as a bunch of untalented and insignificant loosers on the Oasis list ... but then again, someone characterised *early* Nico as "crap" on this list a few days ago ... I wouldn't be surprised if someone named Donovan as the worst artist in the history of Glasgow (or even better, Australia). Personally, I always turned back to the Sixties when being unsatisfied with the P!O!P! scene at a given time ... and I'd strongly suggest that many P!O!P! artists are influenced by the Sixties, of course including Belle And Sebastian ... another question for those participating in the online chat thingie, be assured that one or the other member is even aware of less popular Sixties acts like, for example, The West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band.
Everett True said how he still cares about the whole deal of music and experience and the magic of rock'n'roll but that most of the time it hurts too much to care. i know what he means but i think that the pain of caring is easier to deal with than the pain of not caring... But that said, i think it's hurting me too much right now. Consumption has made me sick.
ignorance has made me sick.
so long and don't look back...
Come on ... "Some of us still burn!" (The Legend!) ... On a personal note, I like the idea of that compilation-cassette competition, does your Exeter invitation include the travelling expenses ? ยง;^D "Dive into yesterday" (Kaleidoscope/UK) Andreas The rain it raineth on the just And also on the unjust fella But more upon the just because The unjust steals the just's umbrella (Charles Baron Bowen) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister@majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Perfection As A Hipster wrote:
The Duke Of Harringay wrote ...
Jonathan Wren wrote:
I was eating my breakfast yesterday when, on Melody Radio (my parents choice NOT mine!) a song came on by a group called Loving Spoonfull. Now, the song was pretty insipid cack
sorry about this in advance, but i'm feeling a bit uptight today. today? ha ha! Look; if you don't realise the genius and importance of The Lovin' Spoonful then you are... lost. I mean, Pop. Aw fuck i give up. Listen to Summer In The City, or even better NAshville Cats and best of all Do You Believe in Magic. Read that again: DO YOU BELIEVE IN MAGIC?
Do you?
I don't see how you can say you love Belle & Sebastian and then say that a Lovin' Spoonful song sounds like 'cack'.. I just don't get it: they're the same sensibility, they're about the magic of Pop and life and aw, if you don't get it then i don't care anymore. You can just be ignorant for all i care.
An apology. And the only thing I am going to apologise for: I should not have used the words "insipid cack". This was wrong a) because it wasn't a considered response b) because it is the sort of dismissive remark that I'd probably find/have found equally annoying when people use such easy words in dismissing a band I love; Oasis. Yes, that one. What I won't apologise for is not agreeing that liking Loving Spoonfull is a necessary requirement for loving B&S. This is simply because of the fact that the particular song (and I can't comment on the rest of their songs) did not move me; maybe my Frosties made me disagree with it; whatever. What I find hard to fathom about peoples responses is that they seem to find it incomprehensible that anyone who doesn't subscribe to their particular musical view is therefore some sort of bad, ignorant person, who doesn't appreciate music as greatly as they do and cannot possibly thus love B&S. This is a pretty totalitarian view of music, and any sort of culture. For goodness sake, it's a wide world out there and everyone (god knows, I try to be) is an individual with their own idiosyncratic and dogmatic (in a pejorative and non-pejorative sense) view of what is good and bad about the world. Or they should be. I may not like Loving Spoonfull but I am not saying that you are a bad person because you do. And if I did you could sit and bask in the fact that you know you are right. But is everyone ignorant who doesn't like what you like? I mean, I actually have friends who *don't* like B&S. Yes, it is possible to like such people. Loving B&S isn't about buying into an aesthetic and swallowing it lock, stock and barrel, and if I thought it was then I'd think that was pretty damn sad and it might even take something out of the music for me.. B&S are about boredom, love, loss, failure, elation, the pain of individuality etc. B&S are about questioning and discovery. I get a buzz of B&S which, on one listen, which I accept is unfair and I should hear more, I didn't/don't/might get from Loving Spoonfull. And if I don't after a more considered response, does that really make me some sort of knuckle headed ignorant idiot? The world is a big old place for people with differing tastes. Sorry if I've upset people and sorry for getting all pretentious. I couldn't not say anything cos this has genuinely upset me, too. All the best, Jon BTW I'm gonna be living in Exeter next year so I hope the massed ranks of LS fans there don't come and kick the shit out of me... ...that was a joke :-) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister@majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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