Hello Sinister! I am a bit troubled by the strife going on lately. Mark, I was pleased to read your apology. I would consider myself to be a friend of Mark, Idles and Stine, and so these latest posts disturb me. My opinion is that some harsh things have been said in the past. Some things I agree with, and some I don't agree with. It's so easy to get the wrong end of the stick through email. That's why it's very important to think things through before getting too upset. I like it when people express themselves, but I think especially in this forum it's important to try to be as constructive as possible. I think labeling styles of people is more than *SO AUGUST 18th* (that made me laugh!), it's juvenile. Besides that, "twee" is pretty much meaningless here in the States, so that label could have a completely different connotation to people who live in a culture where the word is used. There are a lot of us here from different cultures, so before anyone gets too carried away about things like that, try to remember that the world seems small on Sinister. We have a lot in common, but each culture might interperet something we think as innocent or joking in a different way. I think Mark's plea for sensitivity is a good idea (but that means you, too, Markleby!) Speaking of style, everyone has a different style of communication. Some of us are brash. Some of us are lame. Some of us are overly-sensitive. Some of us are poetic. Some of us are straight-forward. Some of us are lurkers. I would like to think that everybody loves me, but I know that my posts probably irritate some of you. Some of the things I read irritate me, too. I try to ignore the things I don't like. But it's good to disagree; this world would be so boring without some dissention. But I think picking Sinister battles more carefully would be a good idea. I'd rather argue about which version of the DCW cover is best, or whether to refer to it as DICKWIPE or DICKSWAY, rather than reading who is going to shove what up where or what when who and to what extent "twee" is. It's such an abstract concept to get so upset over! Furthermore, Mark apologised and I think it's time to move on. In closing, I'd just like to say that I am glad to be connected to all of you (except for BEN APPS who stinks and KEN CHU, he's a twat!) love, Rachel fruitloop-Apps __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister@missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo@missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+