so i'm sitting here listening to an absolutely SWINGING cd called "uh-oh!" by a group called Tipsy. it's totally tiki lounge music full of water bubble noises and strange vocal samples from old exotica records. i feel like i should be sipping a triple zombie on a white beach surrounded by groovy hipsters and the occassional foreign spy. in a word: KEEN. check it out. especially the songs "sweet cinnamon punch" and "neon tetra" anyway. its a grey day here in the bustling metropolis of minneapolis. there has been alot of talk, primarily by a certain sinisterine, about the bad qualities of Goths. well. he's right about all those bad qualities he listed. they are BAD. truly. BUT! seriously, dont those same BAD attitudes apply to ALL people who tend to pigeonhole themselves into some genre of society? be they goths, indiekids, punks, whatever. people need to be judged on their personalities, not on their dress or amount of eye-makeup. i love many old goth bands. i love many indie bands. i love scandinavian folk music. i love zydeco. i dress like me. thats my pigeonhole. you are all right, there ARE alot of avant-goths out there who are very snobby and pretentious. but i beg you all to see that there are just as many avant-indiekids also. and they are just as pretentious as the others. guys: who of us hasnt met a beautiful girl who is keenly dressed, introduced ourselves, and breathed a silent sigh of dissappointment and yes, JUDGEMENT, when she said "oh yeah i just got back from the EMINEM concert, it was ACE." you see? it easy to be judgemental. i'm very guilty of it myself at times. i would hate to be judged harshly as being an "avant-goth" by indiekids cause i have dyed black hair and write poetry and occassionally listen to bauhaus and sometimes wear a Dead Can Dance t-shirt. we are all different people, with different backgrounds and different friends, and we all need to IGNORE all the snobs out there, WHOEVER they are, and just make sure that WE ourselves arent being snobby or pretentious. whenever we point a finger, there are three pointing back at us. assumption starts with an ASS. ok , thanks for listening to my little ranting. i really have no ill-will toward anyone, especially not my fellow honorary rachel joe vester. i just hate people making blanket statements about people thats all. props to DAHLING for reading "a heartbreaking work of staggering genius" its awesome isnt it? i love love love it!! i'm currently reading "100 years of solitude" by gabriel garcia-marquez. its prolly my 5th time through it but its so full of detail i love it more each time. i send my love to all of you, but especially: ULLA for having such an adorable sleepy voice. JOE VESTER for getting me to think. ELISE in madison---you're not mad at me are you? SHAWN KRUEGER in MI. VU sleeper---sorry i havent called you, i've been really busy, but we must get together soon! ummm.....oh yeah KRISTEN KENYON for writing such beautiful and engaging posts. MARC in the netherlands for getting the sinister translation game off and running. LINDSEY BAKER for having a strong heart. thats all folks.......till next time, dont forget to blow out the candles before bed. -----caleb ben ===== "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a harder battle." ~Plato "Love does not consist of gazing at each other, but in looking together in the same direction." -Antoine de Saint-Exupery __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister@missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo@missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+