Son of Edward III and Phillipa of Hainault - I could never remember where he fitted in. Well one of you came forward to help me out with my desire to find a new word or a phrase from another language to describe my joy when overdue buses or public transport arrive. Thank you very much Oon! She gave me two Thai phrases my favourite being: "Long Og" - "long" is like relieve. "og" is your chest. like when you have runny nose and you blow your nose, same feeling. Nothing else I have found even approaches that metaphor for describing the feeling. The best I could do was "Spontaneous Omnibustion". I'm reading a book about the Wars of the Roses at the moment. It says that in the middle ages it was the custom in England to greet people with a kiss on the lips and foreign visitors were amazed at it all. I'd love to know at which point a firm handshake and awkward mumbled pleasantry took over - probably about the time of the Plague! it also talks about Isabella, wife of Henry II - known as the "She wolf of France" - it immeadiately made me think of our own Genevieve - She-Wolf of the Gatineau. In my quest for new exclamations and swearwords I'm thinking of taking an (illuminated vellum) leaf out of Henry VI's book - the most he would ever say was "For Shame!" although he was sometimes known to exclaim "St James!" xx John +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo@majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+